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Old 08-10-2020, 07:34 AM
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Planning a trip next week to go out of Tarpon Springs to do some bottom fishing (mostly). For those of you in the know would your preference be out around the Elbow or the Middle Grounds?
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Middle Grounds, and closer to Tarpon.
Old 08-10-2020, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Reel Lucky LHP View Post
Middle Grounds, and closer to Tarpon.
This^^^^^ and you won't be alone if the weather is nice. I would also take advantage of the mango bite at night. It's a lot cooler and the bite is better.
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Went out on Saturday with a neighbor on his new boat. It was a shakedown/instructional day for him. I usually don’t fish on weekends due to the number of boats out there.

We ran to many of “my” spots from 30-40 miles out and everyone of “my” spots had boats on them!

We started joking that my regular fishing buddies must have posted my spots on the Internet!

Had one guy and his girl run right up next to us and drop down. Guy had the balls to yell over and ask how the bite was??? Told him it sucked and he quickly left the scene and motored over to another boat about a mile away
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Great way to get numbers I guess.

Anyway the weather was hot, seas were flat and the fishing was just ok. Dozen short gags, couple of flag yellow tails, nice lanes and porgies.

Neighbor got some break in time on his motors, learned a few things along the way and we got to take home some fish for dinner that night!

I would plan on fishing for the grovers as you will have a consistent bite and not have to run all over looking for a keeper fish
Good luck!
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Originally Posted by signmansez View Post
Went out on Saturday with a neighbor on his new boat. It was a shakedown/instructional day for him. I usually don’t fish on weekends due to the number of boats out there.

We ran to many of “my” spots from 30-40 miles out and everyone of “my” spots had boats on them!

We started joking that my regular fishing buddies must have posted my spots on the Internet!

Had one guy and his girl run right up next to us and drop down. Guy had the balls to yell over and ask how the bite was??? Told him it sucked and he quickly left the scene and motored over to another boat about a mile away
!

Great way to get numbers I guess.

Anyway the weather was hot, seas were flat and the fishing was just ok. Dozen short gags, couple of flag yellow tails, nice lanes and porgies.

Neighbor got some break in time on his motors, learned a few things along the way and we got to take home some fish for dinner that night!

I would plan on fishing for the grovers as you will have a consistent bite and not have to run all over looking for a keeper fish
Good luck!
Seems to be getting worse and worse with rollers-on-up types.

I generally give up on fishing this late in summer. Besides, I sold my boat, tired of all the yahoos out there constantly rolling up on our stuff <50nm. I know, not my ocean.....

Anyway, I'm going bigger. Shopping in the 45-55ft sportfish range. I'm going to focus on long range trips. That way I can get to the spots I want when I want weather depending and have little concern of the roller-on-up types. Besides I know most of the guys that are fishing way out and enjoy their company. We're all on the same team out there. I started with my Phoenix, great boat, loved it. But needed more range and a bit more speed. Plus a 2+ day trip on a 35ft boat with 5 dudes, it starts to get a bit cramped. I've got a line on a Viking 52 up in RI. Might go take a look. I think the Vikings meet most of the requirements we have for our long range trips. I'm just not a fan of the MANs. Lots of $$$ maintenance there, oh well first world problem.

Lets hope for a storm free rest of the summer so we can all hit it again come this fall. Can't wait for october. Keep you all posted on what boat we end up with when we pull the trigger.
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Originally Posted by bnz View Post
Planning a trip next week to go out of Tarpon Springs to do some bottom fishing (mostly). For those of you in the know would your preference be out around the Elbow or the Middle Grounds?
when I lived in Clearwater it was mostly the elbow. Now I live in New Port Richey so it's the grounds. So now I fish mostly the grounds. When you leave out of Tarpon when you first get into the south of the grounds that's where the traffic will be heaviest. Go toward the back side and and North less pressure.
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Crap forgot to answer your question. Out of TP, do the MG, hit it on the west side if you can, farther north is better. The south east corner gets hit pretty hard. On the way there watch your bottom machine, lots of nooks and crannies out there to be fished.
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Originally Posted by Phins360 View Post
Crap forgot to answer your question. Out of TP, do the MG, hit it on the west side if you can, farther north is better. The south east corner gets hit pretty hard. On the way there watch your bottom machine, lots of nooks and crannies out there to be fished.
This^^^^^^

After 40 years of fishing the grounds it is like lots of the areas around these parts. The Grounds have gotten like a artificial reef. Everyone knows where they are. You fish around the edges in the SE corner your gonna have lots of company and less than stellar fishing. With boats today it is nothing to make a day trip out there and plenty do. They can get there in 2 hours what used to take most 4. Sadly, the farther you get from shore the better the fishing for the most part. I have said this before. Used to be past 30 miles there were few boats, then it became 50 and now it's more like 80. Not uncommon to see Bay Boats 50 miles out that don't even have enough Rode to anchor.

You take a guy with some coin and he buys a nice boat that can cruise at 45 knts and put radar on it, a fancy bottom machine, Some numbers that are for sale and a complete green horn will be on fish in no time. He will pirate every one he marks and will have more numbers than those that have spent a life time finding.

End of the day the amount of effort and the improved equipment is gonna result in fewer and fewer fish and stricter and stricter regulations..

Sorry for the rant but to the OP go as far north and west into the grounds as you safely can. Also try some lighter tackle and smaller hooks. Lots of very tasty smaller fish out there that you won't catch on 8/0 hooks and 100 pound leader.

Good Luck
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