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Old 03-31-2020, 02:15 PM
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Default Help me understand - Zaandam - Cruise Ship trying to Dock in Florida w/ Covid-19

https://www.aol.com/article/news/202...dock/23966093/


Why should Florida take them? I hope the Gov blocks it or the state gets compensated to the point of punitive damages from Carnival.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Zaandam

Zaandam
Name: Zaandam Owner: Carnival Corporation
Operator: Holland America Line
Port of registry: Name:  23px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png
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Builder: Fincantieri Cantieri Navali Italiana SpA, Marghera, Italy

Italian builder
Flagged in the Netherlands,
Owned By Carnival that was originally scheduled to travel on March 7 from Buenos Aires to San Antonio, Chile
How many Billions should Carnival pay to have this ship dock?

Orlando Ashford, president of Holland America Line, called for a port to show “compassion and grace” by allowing passengers on the Zaandam cruise liner and its sister ship, the Rotterdam, back on land.

“Already four guests have passed away and I fear other lives are at risk,” Ashford wrote. “The COVID-19 situation is one of the most urgent tests of our common humanity. To slam the door in the face of these people betrays our deepest human values.”

What kind of compassion did he show by allowing these ships to embark? His problem, and the blood is on his hands. Does he accept responsibility for these deaths? I think these execs are hoping to fill ships and just hope if/when people get sick they have already left the ship and it's someone else's problem.

If this was the first cruise ship in crisis I would understand... But, we already went through events involving cruise ships and the monumental efforts it took to deal with them, and yet they continued to let passengers board and not take responsibility. I think all positive passengers should be disembarked at his house.

Serious lack of ethical and mental fortitude to be a passenger on a cruise ship and to be an exec that allowed it to happen....

Now begging Florida to take on the burden.
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What would your plan be? it's easy to just whinge about problems, and tell them to go away, but, you need a viable alternative, so, what's yours? So far, all I can see is you suggest they take cases to his house, how do you get them there?
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Those are humans just like you and I on that ship. A very bad situation.
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This is total BS. The ship left Argentina for a cruise during a crisis. The CEO of Holland America knows damn well that cruise ships are giant Petri dishes as evident by common listeria outbreaks. They chose to send the ship out so they would not have to refund money and have a ship sitting idle costing money while it did nothing. Now the CEO is begging FL to take on a ship that did not leave an American port and take on hundreds of contaminated non-Americans which will ultimately go into the local healthcare system and take resources away from the local citizens.

If we are going to help than what we should do is tell Argentina not our problem, take the ship back or if we have to take them you can look forward to economic sanctions.

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I say Florida is the perfect place to stage/house infected cruise ships. They have the ports, housing, infrastructure to take care of these problems. If things get to bad it’s easy to close all the roads down. The way the US handled this crisis was terrible. Crisis management vs risk management. It was decided for us that 80% of the us population is going to contract this virus. It’s here, we have no choice but deal with it. The problems that we can help/resolve we do.

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I agree with the OP's point. If we (USA or Florida) takes on these passengers, the cruise line should be footing a big bill for it.
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Maybe they could be put ashore on the dry tortugas and the cruse ship company can supply the peoples basic needs and set up a med station.
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Originally Posted by noelm View Post
What would your plan be? it's easy to just whinge about problems, and tell them to go away, but, you need a viable alternative, so, what's yours? So far, all I can see is you suggest they take cases to his house, how do you get them there?
You get them there by cruise ship docked in Seattle and then drive them over...Actually, I don't need a plan, nor does Florida...It's for Holland America to figure out....When someone's daughter five states away from you gets pregnant, it doesn't become your problem to figure out.... They took the risks, like having unprotected sex in the red-light district and now want compassion. But, my question is, where was the compassion for the healthcare providers and other people that will now have to take on this burden...Where is the compassion for the additional people that will likely be infected?

But, since you think I need to figure out a plan, I'll tell you.... I would let them dock for the sum of $1billion dollars and set up a mass quarantine area outside of a populated area and require the vessel be removed and sterilized....Further, I would investigate if charges should be filled for execs that made the decision to continue cruise travel.

Originally Posted by Saltydawg15 View Post
Those are humans just like you and I on that ship. A very bad situation.
They may be like you, but they are not like me....You have to be some kind of mental deficient to board a cruise now. Esp. after the played in the media drama of the previous cruise ships.

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I say Florida is the perfect place to stage/house infected cruise ships. They have the ports, housing, infrastructure to take care of these problems. If things get to bad it’s easy to close all the roads down. The way the US handled this crisis was terrible. Crisis management vs risk management. It was decided for us that 80% of the us population is going to contract this virus. It’s here, we have no choice but deal with it. The problems that we can help/resolve we do.
Says the person that won't have any consequences... Why don't you go down and help them disembark? Seriously.... You go...Because only then will you have compassion for the workers that are going to be burdened with the risk and responsibility. You sound like a general that's never been to the front line...
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You get them there by cruise ship docked in Seattle and then drive them over...Actually, I don't need a plan, nor does Florida...It's for Holland America to figure out....When someone's daughter five states away from you gets pregnant, it doesn't become your problem to figure out.... They took the risks, like having unprotected sex in the red-light district and now want compassion. But, my question is, where was the compassion for the healthcare providers and other people that will now have to take on this burden...Where is the compassion for the additional people that will likely be infected?

But, since you think I need to figure out a plan, I'll tell you.... I would let them dock for the sum of $1billion dollars and set up a mass quarantine area outside of a populated area and require the vessel be removed and sterilized....Further, I would investigate if charges should be filled for execs that made the decision to continue cruise travel.

They may be like you, but they are not like me....You have to be some kind of mental deficient to board a cruise now. Esp. after the played in the media drama of the previous cruise ships.



Says the person that won't have any consequences... Why don't you go down and help them disembark? Seriously.... You go...Because only then will you have compassion for the workers that are going to be burdened with the risk and responsibility. You sound like a general that's never been to the front line...
Dilly Dilly, to all of your points!
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OK, I posted on the other thread.

Why are they coming to FL? Is this for our hospitals or for a port willing to accept them? There are 2400 people on those two ships and only 300 Americans. Why are they both headed to FL?

St. Maarten is a Dutch territory and has a cruise ship port. The vessels are all registered in the Netherlands.

Take the Americans off and place in quarantine.
Take the sick and put them in a remote hospital that has the capacity......allow the Hospital to charge the cruise line whatever they want for their service. Florida has their hands full but some remote hospital can handle a few patients for say $1M per patient.
Foreign nationals straight to a charter plane back to their home country. Medical evac from a foreign country can easily run $50-$100k, so $200M to fly everyone home ought to cover it. I'm sure the airlines could use some revenue about now.
I'd have the CEO write a personal check for the entire cost upfront.




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Why? Because Mickey Arison knows a lot of influential people. Duh
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Originally Posted by noelm View Post
What would your plan be? it's easy to just whinge about problems, and tell them to go away, but, you need a viable alternative, so, what's yours? So far, all I can see is you suggest they take cases to his house, how do you get them there?
Are you volunteering to have them port in Australia so you can personally take care of them? If so that can probably be arranged.



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Originally Posted by noelm View Post
What would your plan be? it's easy to just whinge about problems, and tell them to go away, but, you need a viable alternative, so, what's yours? So far, all I can see is you suggest they take cases to his house, how do you get them there?
Why does anyone here need a plan. The cruise line and the captain needed the plan but that ship already sailed. Why should our country have to deal with this. Send them on their way.
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They can always drop anchor.

No need to come ashore until they need fuel for the gensets (not for propulsion if they are diesel electric).

They can be refueled at sea.

Done and done.

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Flag of Convenience.... You want to dodge taxes here? Head on back to the Netherlands.
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Holland America boasts a private island in the Bahamas. Seems like the perfect place to quarantine and no one else has to take them. They can air drop supplies, send supply ships, whatever.
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Yep, yep, and yep....Send this thread to the Gov....
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Carnival cruises. Mickey Arison. C'mon..cashing in a favor.
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Originally Posted by Saltydawg15 View Post
Those are humans just like you and I on that ship. A very bad situation.
this. We are all in this together. Some people forget that.

take the appropriate precautions and try to help.

how would you want to be treated if you were on a cruise in the Mediterranean? Or traveling for work somewhere? Etc.

it's time to just quit thinking about ourselves.
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The people who got on that ship were freaking stupid. This is a perfect way to thin the herd. The ships company is completely responsible and should be held accountable. Go to your registered country.

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