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Old 03-31-2020, 10:54 AM
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If you listen to the end of the video, the W/Male flapping his gums makes a statement to the effect," you remember me, we've talked before". That tells me this is a common practice. Have a few beers, grab a buddy to film, and lets go challenge the LEO whos trying to do his job. I have been on the badge side of this encounter and I can see that this citizen is a know it all on all things in todays society. Thanks for being part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Old 03-31-2020, 11:22 AM
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Many of the boats are confiscated boats but I know of more than one gulf coast builder who have essentially donated boats to local law enforcement as well. I imagine the Gause was part of a similar deal.
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No excuse to be disrespectful to law enforcement. They are only trying to help everyone be safe.
Old 03-31-2020, 04:14 PM
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Sent this thread to the Mayor of Boca after he "replied" (canned response) to my question about the boat ramp closures.
Prob wont help but what the heck
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Originally Posted by mgd View Post
Sent this thread to the Mayor of Boca after he "replied" (canned response) to my question about the boat ramp closures.
Prob wont help but what the heck
If you pick through the details of this thread it ain't gonna help you one bit. "It may hurt"

Hard to sugar coat some of the BS and responses right here on THT.

Some get it, some don't. And apparently from all threads related to this topic there is more than one bad apple.
Old 04-01-2020, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
If you pick through the details of this thread it ain't gonna help you one bit. "It may hurt"

Hard to sugar coat some of the BS and responses right here on THT.

Some get it, some don't. And apparently from all threads related to this topic there is more than one bad apple.
And that right there is exactly the problem. Boat ramps in and of themselves aren't a vector of transmission any more than the checkout line at Publix, the drive through at Starbucks, the girl who brings you your takeout at your favorite restaurant, an ATM, the teller counter at the bank, the Instacart delivery person, the Doordash delivery guy, the pizza guy, a census worker who comes to your door, the mechanic at the oil change place, the golf course, the city bus, passing someone on a sidewalk or on the trail at a county park, the cop who pulls you over on a traffic stop, the FedEx guy, the Amazon delivery guy, or the mail man.

Whether one personally agrees with the FWC order or not, calling for distance between boats and limiting the number of people aboard can be defended in a grand scheme sense. It's also narrowly tailored to address what is seen as a potential vector for transmission. What's being done to limit transmission through any of the above means?
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Originally Posted by trustafari View Post
And that right there is exactly the problem. Boat ramps in and of themselves aren't a vector of transmission any more than the checkout line at Publix, the drive through at Starbucks, the girl who brings you your takeout at your favorite restaurant, an ATM, the teller counter at the bank, the Instacart delivery person, the Doordash delivery guy, the pizza guy, a census worker who comes to your door, the mechanic at the oil change place, the golf course, the city bus, passing someone on a sidewalk or on the trail at a county park, the cop who pulls you over on a traffic stop, the FedEx guy, the Amazon delivery guy, or the mail man.

Whether one personally agrees with the FWC order or not, calling for distance between boats and limiting the number of people aboard can be defended in a grand scheme sense. It's also narrowly tailored to address what is seen as a potential vector for transmission. What's being done to limit transmission through any of the above means?
Much of what you listed above are necessities to sustain life and they have put some precautions in place. Many banks are drive through only, Many parks are closed.

BOAT ramps are not a necessity nor is recreational boating. That is why I have stopped running charters and am losing my ass. It would not be very smart of me to be entertaining people from who knows where. Kinda hard to keep social distancing when your stuck on board with a bunch of strangers and all handling the same equipment. If I were a carrier I could easily infect 20 to 30 people a week running charters. Or, more than likely I would catch it exposing myself to that many strangers.

People just want to live in denial and not accept personal responsibility.
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For the record, I don't have heartburn over the theory behind the dispersion rules put forth by FWC. I can see the need behind it and recognize it as a lesser restrictive alternative to other approaches the government could have taken (such as closing the ramps).

Based on the NPS Ranger making reference to Johnson Beach, the video is almost certainly from the Perdido Key unit of Gulf Islands National Seashore.

I agree that knee deep in the water with the cops is not the place to debate the validity, advisability, or alternatives to an order such as the one in this case. Like you said, follow the rules, color inside the lines, and if you think things should change then address the people who can make the changes through normal channels during regular working hours. At the risk of being painted by some as a person who hides behind the constitution, the legal side of this issue is that challenges to some of these rules can't be made unless someone has standing to do it. For something like this, the only way to get standing is to get arrested. Maybe that's where the guy was trying to go with it; some kind of legal martyrdom. It's not the route I would take, but it is a technique.
This was filmed at Ft. McRee straight across from PNAS. We got there around 9 am and the beach was doing good with boats around 50 feet apart as prescribed. It didn't take long for them to become elbow to elbow. Left around noon and just cruised, the rangers were all pretty nice to us just cruising up and down behind the boats reminding people to follow the rules. I imagine that their job got pretty rough that afternoon.
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
Much of what you listed above are necessities to sustain life and they have put some precautions in place. Many banks are drive through only, Many parks are closed.

BOAT ramps are not a necessity nor is recreational boating. That is why I have stopped running charters and am losing my ass. It would not be very smart of me to be entertaining people from who knows where. Kinda hard to keep social distancing when your stuck on board with a bunch of strangers and all handling the same equipment. If I were a carrier I could easily infect 20 to 30 people a week running charters. Or, more than likely I would catch it exposing myself to that many strangers.

People just want to live in denial and not accept personal responsibility.
I readily agree with you that nothing I listed is necessary to sustain life and yet they remain in operation with only minimal (if any) restrictions by the government. As we have seen, recreational boating continues unabated for anyone who can get on the water. The local law enforcement agencies aren't addressing people gathering at the boat ramps so far as I can tell. Enforcement actions on the water seem focused on the terms of the FWC order. So if boating in general is not a problem, and if gathering at the ramps to tailgate, fish off the docks, and use the picnic tables is not a problem, why keep the ramps closed?

I think the measures you've taken in your own work to avoid being a vector for transmission are commendable. The sacrifice it entails is not lost on me and I hope that your business recovers once this thing is over.

I agree that there are people in denial over everything about this situation. I also think there are people on the opposite extreme who are overreacting to everything about this situation. I think there are people in the middle who are looking at the situation as a whole and exercising on a daily basis the personal responsibility you bring up by evaluating the situation, deciding what is appropriate for them to do or not do, and taking steps to protect themselves. You've done that, I'm doing that, and I think most folks are in the same boat.

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