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Old 03-23-2020, 05:41 AM
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Default How long will they keep the ramps closed before people get fed up

Just wondering what everyone thinks the time table is until people starting getting fed up and start to push back in the government regarding the ramp closures. Personally think it’s ridiculous that government is governing through pictures posted on social media.
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About the same amount of time it will take the a-hole idiots who are rafting up at the sandbars in the dozens and dozens to get smart. Having watched those people for years I can guarantee it will be a very long time. Have to govern to the lowest common denominator.
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About the same amount of time it will take the a-hole idiots who are rafting up at the sandbars in the dozens and dozens to get smart. Having watched those people for years I can guarantee it will be a very long time. Have to govern to the lowest common denominator.
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About the same amount of time it will take the a-hole idiots who are rafting up at the sandbars in the dozens and dozens to get smart. Having watched those people for years I can guarantee it will be a very long time. Have to govern to the lowest common denominator.
looks like eternity then.....
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Once again the idiots ruin it for normal folk. Im gonna make a run for it Tuesday or Wednesday i think. Wrote myself a permission letter.
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Well all the wealthy types will just lower the lift to get to the raft up.
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I drove by Sand Sprit about 7:30 AM and it was open.
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Personally think it’s ridiculous that government is governing through pictures posted on social media.
I think there is some sourness from the county officials about looking foolish to the world on social media and as a result, taking it out on everyone. I have photos of this weekend showing dozens of boats all anchored with plenty of room in between them, but those aren't the ones all over the news.

Best case scenario is we come to an agreement on opening the ramps under the condition that the sandbars stay empty and raftups don't happen and make sure everyone is on the same page ahead of time. If that doesn't happen, I don't know. Gofundme to buy a lot on the water and build a private ramp? Thats half of what the Florida Keys is.
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About the same amount of time it will take the a-hole idiots who are rafting up at the sandbars in the dozens and dozens to get smart. Having watched those people for years I can guarantee it will be a very long time. Have to govern to the lowest common denominator.
You can not violate people’s civil liberties and their constitutional right to peacefully assemble because the government got calls from citizens after photos surfaced of “rafting”. I think those “rafters” are morons too. But the idea that you have to “comply” before they “allow” you to exercise your rights is maddening and wrong.
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Originally Posted by firstbase View Post
About the same amount of time it will take the a-hole idiots who are rafting up at the sandbars in the dozens and dozens to get smart. Having watched those people for years I can guarantee it will be a very long time. Have to govern to the lowest common denominator.
I was out fishing yesterday in Stuart and on the way back in the sandbar must have had over 300+ boats anchored gunnel to gunnel. WTF is wrong with people? Now, these same a-holes will start complaining about the ramp and beach closures! The beaches were also jam-packed. It is not as though Martin and St. Lucie only have a few beaches; between the south end of Hutchinson all the way to Ft. Pierce there are a lot of beaches that would allow social-distancing and being able to enjoy the afternoon without risking any one's health. Just like the numbskulls who cleared the shelves of water, as though our faucets were going to dry up or that bought 6 months worth of toilet paper!

The bottom line is the authorities in Martin made sound recommendations hoping people would use common sense and when it was clear that they would not they had no choice. I am by no means enthralled with the government but this is not a time to snub your nose at them and talk about your constitutional rights! If people don't use common sense the next step, if this virus gets out of control is a lock-down like Italy where over 5500 have died!

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I think there is some sourness from the county officials about looking foolish to the world on social media and as a result, taking it out on everyone. I have photos of this weekend showing dozens of boats all anchored with plenty of room in between them, but those aren't the ones all over the news.

Best case scenario is we come to an agreement on opening the ramps under the condition that the sandbars stay empty and raftups don't happen and make sure everyone is on the same page ahead of time. If that doesn't happen, I don't know. Gofundme to buy a lot on the water and build a private ramp? Thats half of what the Florida Keys is.
i love this idea!!!
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About the same amount of time it will take the a-hole idiots who are rafting up at the sandbars in the dozens and dozens to get smart. Having watched those people for years I can guarantee it will be a very long time. Have to govern to the lowest common denominator.
I have to say that this is a very sad, even scary sentiment. I, personally, do not like to anchor or raft up and party one mile from land and in the company of thousands with police onlooking. I also don't like weed, but you know what, I don't begrudge those that do. Nor do I seek to remove their freedom to do so. I see thousands and thousands of people at the many sandbars from PB to Stuart hanging out with friends trying to enjoy the few hours they can spare to unwind and prepare for yet another long week at work. While they may not be the most skilled boaters, so what? The vast majority seem to make their way home without incident....every weekend. After all, these people have significant skin in the game.

From time to time, there is an absurd video of someone that makes it to the news, which of course eats it up. Should we then take that bait and jump on the bandwagon, as well? I can advise from direct experience that these are the very same tactics used by the totalitarian Chinese government and its controlled press to control the masses.

In these troubled times, courage is a rare find, because it is not "safe" and "socially irresponsible" and "selfish" and whatever current buzz word is best at stripping individuals of their civil rights.

At the core, it often boils down to those that believe their TV and those that are just a touch skeptical, having lived a few years.
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Originally Posted by Falkenstein View Post
I think there is some sourness from the county officials about looking foolish to the world on social media and as a result, taking it out on everyone. I have photos of this weekend showing dozens of boats all anchored with plenty of room in between them, but those aren't the ones all over the news.

Best case scenario is we come to an agreement on opening the ramps under the condition that the sandbars stay empty and raftups don't happen and make sure everyone is on the same page ahead of time. If that doesn't happen, I don't know. Gofundme to buy a lot on the water and build a private ramp? Thats half of what the Florida Keys is.
Good luck with that.....they kept them open for try this out, people failed. People learn the hard way.

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I have to say that this is a very sad, even scary sentiment. I, personally, do not like to anchor or raft up and party one mile from land and in the company of thousands with police onlooking. I also don't like weed, but you know what, I don't begrudge those that do. Nor do I seek to remove their freedom to do so. I see thousands and thousands of people at the many sandbars from PB to Stuart hanging out with friends trying to enjoy the few hours they can spare to unwind and prepare for yet another long week at work. While they may not be the most skilled boaters, so what? The vast majority seem to make their way home without incident....every weekend. After all, these people have significant skin in the game.

From time to time, there is an absurd video of someone that makes it to the news, which of course eats it up. Should we then take that bait and jump on the bandwagon, as well? I can advise from direct experience that these are the very same tactics used by the totalitarian Chinese government and its controlled press to control the masses.

In these troubled times, courage is a rare find, because it is not "safe" and "socially irresponsible" and "selfish" and whatever current buzz word is best at stripping individuals of their civil rights.

At the core, it often boils down to those that believe their TV and those that are just a touch skeptical, having lived a few years.
The police cannot legally shutdown the sandbar. The Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway is a federally owned public space maintained by the ACOE. Yesterday, they illegally came and kicked people off the sandbar. I get that people are freaked out about this virus. But the government cannot trample your rights in the name of safety. What other constitutional rights are you willing to give up in this time of emergency. How about your 8th amendment right to not be cruelly and unusually punished? How about the 6th amendment right to an attorney? The idea that we all have to suffer because of some idiots rafting is a specious argument. We don’t close the highways because 10,000+ people died of drunken driving. Our rights are endowed from our creator, NOT granted by the government.
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Good luck with that.....they kept them open for try this out, people failed. People learn the hard way.
I'm not sure I agree with that. I went past the tequesta sandbar early in the morning that day, around 10am. Jupiter PD was patrolling the area and keeping boats off of the lighthouse beach, and a separate police boat was under the bridge there (I could not make out what jurisdiction they were). I don't know what the police did or didn't say to people, but I don't believe I saw any effort to keep people off of the sandbars, whereas they were keeping people off the lighthouse coast.

As I said before, I saw many, many boats anchored with plenty of room between themselves and the next boat, but those photos didn't make the news.
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Bottom line is this. All of the ramps for the most part are government owned. If they decide to close one of their facilities all the whining, threatening, rights and blah blah blah doesn't mean squat. Really no different than when they close anything else in the name of public safety.

People refuse to use common sense and this is what it got them. Maybe the mentality of the people in that area is why they have the highest number of cases in the state.
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One obstacle to "civil disobedience" is that for those in in-and-out storage and in the water marinas are trapped - those businesses cant afford to allow violations of the order. The only way to launch from the trailer is to cut the chain or otherwise break in to ramps and risk arrest. The only folks exempt are the commercials and folks with private docks. The commercial exemption is pure bullshit; seems like a complete disregard of the Equal Protection provision. If government wants to stop rafting up then police it rather than policing ramps and marinas to prevent lawful boat owners form using their vessels. All in all, this is an earthen ware container of excrement!
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I have to say that this is a very sad, even scary sentiment. I, personally, do not like to anchor or raft up and party one mile from land and in the company of thousands with police onlooking. I also don't like weed, but you know what, I don't begrudge those that do. Nor do I seek to remove their freedom to do so. I see thousands and thousands of people at the many sandbars from PB to Stuart hanging out with friends .
This has nothing to do with people being able under NORMAL circumstances to go to the beach or sandbar or shopping mall, rather it is a public safety issue at this unprecedented time. Extraordinary measures are required, otherwise going to the Sanbar may be the least of your worries.
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The police cannot legally shutdown the sandbar. The Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway is a federally owned public space maintained by the ACOE. Yesterday, they illegally came and kicked people off the sandbar. I get that people are freaked out about this virus. But the government cannot trample your rights in the name of safety. What other constitutional rights are you willing to give up in this time of emergency. How about your 8th amendment right to not be cruelly and unusually punished? How about the 6th amendment right to an attorney? The idea that we all have to suffer because of some idiots rafting is a specious argument. We don’t close the highways because 10,000+ people died of drunken driving. Our rights are endowed from our creator, NOT granted by the government.
Boy, I love how often the constitution is misquoted or not even understood.
The First Amendment protects the right to conduct a peaceful public assembly. The right to assemble is not, however, absolute. Government officials cannot simply prohibit a public assembly, but the government can impose restrictions on the time, place, and manner of peaceful assembly, provided that constitutional safeguards are met. Time, place, and manner restrictions are permissible so long as they are “justified. I would say this is one of those times.....but hey if you want to mingle with a bunch of strangers, then go for it. I bet those spring breakers who thought they were invincible but now have the virus may have regretted their decision.

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Nor do I seek to remove their freedom to do so.
Given what is going on I have absolutely no problem taking away their freedom to possibly spread disease. If they aren't smart enough to do it themselves then someone else has to do it for them. Idiots.
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Given what is going on I have absolutely no problem taking away their freedom to possibly spread disease. If they aren't smart enough to do it themselves then someone else has to do it for them. Idiots.
So, if I am to understand you correctly, you would suspend habeas corpus, and jail those who want to move about and use their boat?

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