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Old 11-08-2019, 01:07 PM
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Old 11-08-2019, 01:11 PM
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Only 60 days for a crap load of out of season and undersized.

We should cut a few fingers off each hand. That will teach them.
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Old 11-08-2019, 01:37 PM
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Well 60 days will certainly equal a lot of money in lost wages, hurt potential future job searches, and 10 years probation may come back to bite them if they get a DUI or another infraction down the line. I know some want a longer sentence, but what would be ideal if this became the 'norm' for many of the poaching stories you see. This should be the precedent automatic sentencing guideline. Of course for that we do need more officers on the water to be able to nab more of these poachers.
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No mention of fines in the article....or restitution. Not only reimburse the state for the value of stolen resources but also the cost of the investigation and prosecution.

Hopefully that's an oversight by the reporter.
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a "legal" lobster is 2.5-ish years old. so they potentially ruined that area for years.
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the fine was $8300, the value to a commercial fisherman was $45k. 160 were females
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Old 11-08-2019, 04:16 PM
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Should of been much harder one them. 120 days in jail, $100.00 per lobster, court cost , investagation cost, and a band on hunting ,fishing in Alabama and Florida . Felory charges also so its follows them thru life.
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Serious question - has there been a more serious sentence handed down in recent memory?
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Old 11-08-2019, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fllawyer View Post
Serious question - has there been a more serious sentence handed down in recent memory?
the most o can remember in a fine was 250k. Remember in 2013-ish they changed the laws to increase the fines for these poachers
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"After receiving a tip that the men were in the Keys to illegally harvest lobster and fish, the FWC assigned four plain clothes officers on two unmarked boats to watch them".

They had a tip and allocated 4 officers and 2 boats to the case, This is what I fail to understand. Why would they let them poach 210 lobsters? Is building a case more important than protecting the resource?
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Originally Posted by caracal25 View Post
"After receiving a tip that the men were in the Keys to illegally harvest lobster and fish, the FWC assigned four plain clothes officers on two unmarked boats to watch them".

They had a tip and allocated 4 officers and 2 boats to the case, This is what I fail to understand. Why would they let them poach 210 lobsters? Is building a case more important than protecting the resource?
how would they know how many lobsters they had at any point?
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Originally Posted by caracal25 View Post
"After receiving a tip that the men were in the Keys to illegally harvest lobster and fish, the FWC assigned four plain clothes officers on two unmarked boats to watch them".

They had a tip and allocated 4 officers and 2 boats to the case, This is what I fail to understand. Why would they let them poach 210 lobsters? Is building a case more important than protecting the resource?
In this case yes! Had they caught them early on it would be a small fine and they would just move on to another area. They built a case and made it stick! I say good job. The sad part is there are plenty more like them doing the same.
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Originally Posted by fllawyer View Post
Serious question - has there been a more serious sentence handed down in recent memory?
Not since "Operation Freezer Burn" which was a case that snared multiple people involved with a commercial diving operation, including out of season commercial quantities and diving of artificial habitats (casitas). In this case, there were several long jail sentences, one that was around 2 1/2 years, and forfeiture of assets of over $1 million.

I think in this case with these Alabama scumbags, the state got it right. They had apparently been doing this for several years and FWC was finally able to piece together some information and tips to mount an investigation. A lifetime ban for fishing in Florida for all the guilty parties plus a felony conviction is noteworthy.
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Originally Posted by burningdaylight View Post
Not since "Operation Freezer Burn" which was a case that snared multiple people involved with a commercial diving operation, including out of season commercial quantities and diving of artificial habitats (casitas). In this case, there were several long jail sentences, one that was around 2 1/2 years, and forfeiture of assets of over $1 million.

I think in this case with these Alabama scumbags, the state got it right. They had apparently been doing this for several years and FWC was finally able to piece together some information and tips to mount an investigation. A lifetime ban for fishing in Florida for all the guilty parties plus a felony conviction is noteworthy.
I actually think these guys from Alabama were worse than any of the commercial habitat divers. The habitat divers were taking adult (legal) lobsters from habitats that they deployed, and had been earning a living from over many years. Once the state declared diving habitats illegal, the divers had a choice to either quit diving their lucrative gear or become felons. I'm not saying what they decided was right, but it's tough transition to make from your income being legal to illegal with a stroke of a pen.

The guys from Alabama were taking undersized, out of season lobsters, and were also spearing them. Many of those lobsters were vastly undersized, which means they never reproduced. As a local, I'm pretty angry that these guys knowingly traveled 1000 miles to my community to intentionally poach our lobsters from my home waters.
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The probation will eff those guys, for some reason humans(creatures of habit) cant stay out of trouble. Once they violate .....bye bye bye
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I’m leaning on the side of ”too light a sentence”. As painful as 60 days in jail and 10 years of probation can be, their impact to the resource will last longer than their sentence. The most egregious part is the undersized lobster and quantity of them.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:12 AM
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I will bet money they have being doing this for years and those bugs weren't for personal consumption.

There were $$$$ involved in some way.
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It's a good start imo. That sentence should have been more but it is pretty impactful to be shipped off for 2 mos.
One down, many more to go.
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Two days seven men averaging about 150 mostly short bugs each day....There's places I've found in the lower Keys that one man alone could do that at least until he had to move on to (and find) the next similar spot....My point is that penalties have to be more severe because anyone with a boat,the desire and the lack of integrity could do worse than them.

Make the risk far greater than the reward and make sure everyone knows what the penalties are.

I'm a snowbird who comes primarily to fish...My first week of my first winter I heard the old saying "come on vacation leave on probation come back for revocation" I heard it several times... It was impressed on me that the State of Florida - and Monroe County in particular - takes FWC violations very seriously...BUT...I am constantly amazed at how many people violate and even brag on it to total strangers. ...IMO,the FWC has a ways to go to impress on folks that "We'll catch you and it will hurt."
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