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Old 11-05-2019, 01:17 PM
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Default 2009 Tragedy w/ Football Players

Anyone else see this?

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/ne...d-into-a-movie

Prayers for them, and their families.
Old 11-05-2019, 02:26 PM
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Yes, small boat, bad weather, stern anchoring, inexperience and a very bad ending. I love the water, love the ocean and love my time spent on it but I don't want it to take my life.
Old 11-05-2019, 02:33 PM
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A collection of poor decisions resulted in a tragedy.
Old 11-05-2019, 02:50 PM
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I remember in 2014-ish maybe, The Rock signed on to be in the film after the book came out
Old 11-05-2019, 04:47 PM
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I call BS on all of it.
The group participated in a major F up from all accounts. They stacked the decks to get dead from start to finish

Lets start with the defined forecast of what weather was coming. I will let you guys look that up.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/22/dad-of-player-lost-at-sea-calls-survivors-story-crock-of-bull/

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Old 11-05-2019, 06:05 PM
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I had plans to fish that day and called it off 2 or 3 days in advance of the day due to the cold front arriving. That was no day to be 40 miles offshore in a 20 ft boat. That was mistake number 1.
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In for 20 pages
Old 11-05-2019, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by thejeepguy87 View Post
In for 20 pages
Mean cold front coming. Predicted near Gale force days in advance.
No Epirb
Trying to free anchor from stern cleat with power. Sling shot when they let off power backwards into big seas.
They could have cut the anchor rope and saved themselves
Accounts claim they didn't want to lose a anchor and rode again
23 foot edgewater boat at or near the Mexican pride known wreck
Family not calling till damn near midnight for a over due while a huge storm front was pounding on shore by then
Guys with enough coin to afford many safety items
Friends of mine risking their lives to recover them.

Great! Make a movie about it.

Who ever was the captain/owner of the vessel could have been facing charges if this were a charter.
Unlicensed operators get away with a lot more as we all see here every day and twice this weekend just around these parts.
Old 11-05-2019, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
Mean cold front coming. Predicted near Gale force days in advance.
No Epirb
Trying to free anchor from stern cleat with power. Sling shot when they let off power backwards into big seas.
They could have cut the anchor rope and saved themselves
Accounts claim they didn't want to lose a anchor and rode again
23 foot edgewater boat at or near the Mexican pride known wreck
Family not calling till damn near midnight for a over due while a huge storm front was pounding on shore by then
Guys with enough coin to afford many safety items
Friends of mine risking their lives to recover them.

Great! Make a movie about it.

Who ever was the captain/owner of the vessel could have been facing charges if this were a charter.
Unlicensed operators get away with a lot more as we all see here every day and twice this weekend just around these parts.
I think it was an Everglades
Old 11-05-2019, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DocHoliday View Post
I think it was an Everglades
I believe your correct. I looked at it the day it was recovered they brought up to Pasco county.

They were still doing the investigation from what I remember. It was in fairly good shape considering it had been up side down in some bad seas.

Non the less it was of the Boston Whaler design and didn't sink but damn sure turned turtle.
Here is a little more press and there are tons of stuff about this event. A lot of the press is fairly inaccurate but this is close
.https://www.palmbeachpost.com/articl...news/812034116


With the water temps when this happened no one would have survived being in the water for that duration. That boat saved one mans life with no doubt.

No one would have survived in a PFD that long in those conditions.

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Old 11-06-2019, 05:29 AM
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Reading his book now. Obviously hind sight is 20/20 but man! One thing I did not know but read in the book was that they were carrying 25 extra gallons of gas strapped to the transom in 5 jugs. He never stated at what point (if any) they filled the tank during the day. But that certainly could’ve contributed to causing the boat to turtle when trying to free the anchor with the added weight.

When it happened, I used this situation to make my offshore fishing much more safe. Extremely detailed float plan, PLB in my pocket, taking fewer risks.
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It appears that we all have different recollections of that day 10 years ago so I'll add mine.
I was out fishing that morning, about 30 miles out of Tarpon Springs near the Thompson wreck. A front was coming, supposedly late that afternoon.
While we were in a 29ft twin engine boat, it started getting rough while on the hook as noon approached. We decided the front may be coming a few hours early and would head in.
We saw a smaller, maybe 23? Foot boat with a few guys on it go by us heading to deeper waters wath a few guys on it. They waved as we waved back and that was it. Who was it? I'll never know. Maybe they were 30 miles south of us, I'll never know, but seeing the news the following days sure made me think about it.
We can all agree that numerous, life threatening mistakes were made that day, and ended with an avoidable tragedy.
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We can all clearly see the series of mistakes they made - we all beat it to death at the time. I think it made every offshore boater think. I know I did, even though I would have known not to do the things they did. It illustrated how a fun day can turn tragic in one instant. I don't feel any need to revisit all that.

Suffice to say that it was a very sad day, a heart wrenching story.
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Originally Posted by Cat-a-holic View Post
...I don't feel any need to revisit all that....
Yes, that was the exact point of my post...I guess I should have explained more in my OP. We all were painfully aware of the incident when it happened. I just cant believe after all this time... they are ripping the wounds open again and making a movie out of it.
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They could not have made more bad decisions if they tried. I'm sorry for their loss but it was totally preventable.
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Say what you want about the poor judgement and many serious mistakes made, but staying on top of that boat for three days in those conditions was a feat of survival.
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Originally Posted by scooperfl View Post
Say what you want about the poor judgement and many serious mistakes made, but staying on top of that boat for three days in those conditions was a feat of survival.
Was it at the expense of others is the question.

Only one man knows the truth and a book nor a movie will change what happened.
Glad the man survived but unless I was 100% positive a book or movie could prevent a similar occurrence I would never want to rehash the event in any form.
There are many Veterans today that had no choice who endured a lot worse and choose not to talk about it.

Just Sayin!
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
Was it at the expense of others is the question.
Wow. I did not really follow the aftermath closely. Is there any proof at all of this?

Other than some emotional statements made by grieving families (that seemed contrary to what I know about hypothermia), I do not remember reading or hearing anything critical of the survivor. Was there something in the interviews or official report?

Lots of books have been written and movies created over real tragedy that could have been avoided, Perfect Storm leaps to mind. Why is this different? I guess because someone lived? Relatives had someone to blame?

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Read the book - could not put it down
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Originally Posted by scooperfl View Post
Wow. I did not really follow the aftermath closely. Is there any proof at all of this?

Other than some emotional statements made by grieving families (that seemed contrary to what I know about hypothermia), I do not remember reading or hearing anything critical of the survivor. Was there something in the interviews or official report?

Lots of books have been written and movies created over real tragedies that could have been avoided. Perfect Storm leaps to mind. Why is this different? I guess because someone lived? Relatives had someone to blame?
Not suggesting a thing other than 4 men enter the water and one man lives. The families called BS on some of the reports likely from grief.

There is nothing to share that hasn't been heard and repeated from many similar cases where these types of accidents happen weekly. Some like last week just get damn lucky.

A book or a movie bring nothing more than the investigating reports of what they all did wrong from start to finish. I suggest you might question why the family members did not call a over due until way after the front came through. None of them, and that storm was rocking. Not to be exact but I believe they were not reported missing until the am hours and that info can be obtained from the USCG watch commander. They were scheduled to be home by dark.

Reports published by the media are what they are. I would only rely on the USCG report and the FWC as they were involved with the vessel recovery.

As far as the Perfect storm Analogy I see it this way. They Andrea Gale crew were experienced water men needing to get paid to feed families. In a capable craft designed for what they were doing. They were not fun fishing or playing around nor did anything stupid like trying to free an anchor from the stern in a boat that wasn't really up to the task of being where it was at the time. They mis judged the weather and paid for it.

All said and done I see no benefit to those lost or those who may be saved rehashing a event that just reminds of us what we can see every week on here or in the news...
That said, I see no need to read the book nor watch the movie if they make one unless the proceeds were in fact to get something done like required epirbs for all vessels. That is the only reason to revisit this very terrible event that would get my interest.

I'm glad the guy made it but the reality is it was a miracle and hopefully his survival doesn't make anyone believe their unsinkable boat would offer such an outcome in that situation.

EDIT to add from the USCG official site

Despite the media of 70 miles out they were 35 west of the Tampa area

"The group was expected home around sunset. One of the men’s family contacted the Coast Guard around 1:30 a.m. on March 1 and a search began."

That would be about 6 hours after the sunset and their expected arrival during a very strong frontal passage.

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