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Old 11-02-2019, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by treadlife View Post
I'm impatiently waiting for a rail system between Orlando and Tampa. We would definitely make the trip for the Rays games and plenty of Orlandoans would also travel for the beaches and football games.

I would think Tamponians would like the easier trip to Disney, Universal etc.

Put the terminals in good locations and tie into existing transport solitions - Sunrail, Lynx, Uber etc.
min sorry I just donít see it. Itís $50 person to go to marlins game and I have to uber. Itís going to be $75 or more for you person
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Old 11-02-2019, 10:45 AM
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5x a year? So why not riide the existing railroad?
sometimes I do, sometimes the time and schedule donít work for me and I drive. Iím banking on virgin trains shrinking the 6 + hours that significantly deters using the current option.

Splains to me what youíre deep hatred towards rail is?
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Old 11-02-2019, 10:58 AM
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Everyone focusing on brightlines ridership numbers is thinking way too short term. Brightlines business model has much more to do with development than passenger rail. FECI owns hundreds of developable medium to large sized parcels of land between Miami and Jax and a handful along the I4 corridor. The real money for brightline is developing these parcels into mixed use transient oriented developments & passenger rail is just their method of capturing the market. Eventually brightline will connect Miami to Jax and Tampa & long term potentially connect from Jacksonville to Atlanta / Charlotte. Brightline is playing a 20-50 year game, not some short term play for passenger counts.
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Old 11-02-2019, 11:09 AM
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sometimes I do, sometimes the time and schedule donít work for me and I drive. Iím banking on virgin trains shrinking the 6 + hours that significantly deters using the current option.

Splains to me what youíre deep hatred towards rail is?
Grossly unnecessary. Mass transit is simply not practical in Florida. Too spread out. South Florida is not Florida. You can drive from Delray to Orlando in 3 hours. How go you figure you save any time by rail? It goes the long way, probably stops a couple times, ONLY place that may be "high speed" is along the beeline. Then it dumps you at the airport...miles from town.
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Originally Posted by Fractured but whole View Post
Everyone focusing on brightlines ridership numbers is thinking way too short term. Brightlines business model has much more to do with development than passenger rail. FECI owns hundreds of developable medium to large sized parcels of land between Miami and Jax and a handful along the I4 corridor. The real money for brightline is developing these parcels into mixed use transient oriented developments & passenger rail is just their method of capturing the market. Eventually brightline will connect Miami to Jax and Tampa & long term potentially connect from Jacksonville to Atlanta / Charlotte. Brightline is playing a 20-50 year game, not some short term play for passenger counts.
Baloney.
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Old 11-02-2019, 11:58 AM
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If you are a well off single traveler the rates might make sense. If you are a family of four on vacation a rental car will still be the way to go. I don't see who their potential customers are, business travelers going between Miami and Orlando for the day?
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Old 11-02-2019, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GRSC View Post

sometimes I do, sometimes the time and schedule donít work for me and I drive. Iím banking on virgin trains shrinking the 6 + hours that significantly deters using the current option.

Splains to me what youíre deep hatred towards rail is?
I like rail, I use it when I go to the airport which was once a month couple years ago. Iíve also used it for sporting events.this is a waste
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Old 11-02-2019, 01:44 PM
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So spare me the alternative / conspiracy theories...
Hey , Bills conspiracy theories are the only reason I visit THT .
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Old 11-02-2019, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
You can drive from Delray to Orlando in 3 hours. How go you figure you save any time by rail?.
Not looking to save time - rather spend 3 hours on the train, in a comfortable seat with a few beverages or cranking out some work.

The current option of 6 hours is a waste of time... again, looking forward to some upgrade in our rail infrastructure. With private funds to boot.

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I just don`t see it as a big plus in S Fl. I`ve ridden the TGV. My boat is faster than Bright line.

Give me mag lev or give me the keys.
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
So splains to me why you don't live closer to the "what's happening in Miami", if it is so great....
Would it matter if I did? Everyone on this forum has read some version of your lunacy and your bitterness toward the state's Southern counties has persisted for a long time. You will never see anything good about Miami. You are a lost cause. And yet when confronted with any good points about anything you disagree with, you double down on your narrow world view. That's an approach to life that brings out a very rare mental response from me, and that's pity.
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cronced View Post
Would it matter if I did? Everyone on this forum has read some version of your lunacy and your bitterness toward the state's Southern counties has persisted for a long time. You will never see anything good about Miami. You are a lost cause. And yet when confronted with any good points about anything you disagree with, you double down on your narrow world view. That's an approach to life that brings out a very rare mental response from me, and that's pity.
So keep yer dam south Florida mindset to yourself. Passenger service has failed 3 times already. What's the definition of insanity? Gonna take a 4th time?

Like it or not, most of the state could give a shit about Dade county. Accept it.
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Old 11-02-2019, 06:48 PM
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Too easy
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Old 11-03-2019, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by gofastsandman View Post
I just don`t see it as a big plus in S Fl. I`ve ridden the TGV. My boat is faster than Bright line.

Give me mag lev or give me the keys.
Of course MAGLEV is the answer. It's humorous how someone "projects" 50 years in the future with antiquated equipment. Disney had monorail 1/2 century ago. Raised passenger conveyance is THE solution..no rail crossings for vehicles, fast, smooth, quiet, clean. Rail is a dinosaur for moving people. Sir Richard is not a luddite and elevated monorail fits HIS business model perfectly. FEC wants rail for freight. Period.

Research why Ed Ball removed much of the FEC 2nd rail 50 years ago. Read the history of FEC. Study the development patterns of Florida, and the infrastructure limitations. OK, now you're ready to discuss this.
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Old 11-03-2019, 01:02 PM
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I just copied the from that pdf . I went and looked when I saw 18' and thought no way are they gonna cut off traffic across state - can't get any boat with size under 18' . That's going to be some structure lifting a piece of track 65' feet up . I went under the current one in the flats boat when a train was going over for kicks
They've got one that goes WAAAAY higher in a vertical lift in New Orleans. Florida Avenue bridge. I had to wait on it to open back in January. 156' clearance when fully open. 8' when closed. It's impressive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Avenue_Bridge
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:07 AM
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They've got one that goes WAAAAY higher in a vertical lift in New Orleans. Florida Avenue bridge. I had to wait on it to open back in January. 156' clearance when fully open. 8' when closed. It's impressive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Avenue_Bridge
With the projected "30" brightline trains a day, plus the normal local and long distance freight we see in Stuart, a lift bridge here will never be open during the day.....
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Old 11-04-2019, 08:13 AM
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How about a " Chunnel " from Ft Pierce to Jupiter .
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ed d View Post
How about a " Chunnel " from Ft Pierce to Jupiter .
I bet the French win.
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
Why would anyone commute 200 miles a day to work??
Have a friend that drove from Newark, DE to lower Manhattan every day to work for 10 years, about 280 per day. Put in his 20 yrs and got his pension and benefits for life.
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Originally Posted by toristoy View Post
Have a friend that drove from Newark, DE to lower Manhattan every day to work for 10 years, about 280 per day. Put in his 20 yrs and got his pension and benefits for life.
What did he do ?
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