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Old 09-27-2019, 06:15 AM
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Default Small bathroom remodel quotes, for real?

Looking to get small 5x7ft bathroom remodeled

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Install deep acrylic tub 60in x 34in wide
Tile around tub to ceiling (roughly 75sqft total)
Reuse existing toilet and vanity that are newer
Paint

I provide materials, tub, tile, etc.

There will be some durock work. No work on floors

Getting labor quotes in $3000 range mostly, these are not licensed or insured contractors. WTF

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09-27-2019, 06:37 AM
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You better jump on that before he sobers or wakes up!
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You better jump on that before he sobers or wakes up!
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Originally Posted by Absolute View Post
You better jump on that before he sobers or wakes up!
Note the NOT licensed our insured part of his post. What could possibly go wrong?
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As a licensed and insured contractor, NY not Florida, your type of requests for labor only pricing is a red flag about the job. After I try to remove the existing toilet and vanity, of course without damaging them, I'm now required to move them somewhere else in your house to store until I'm ready to reinstall them, again without damage. Then I assume I need to give you a list of what's needed to complete the demo, cover your existing flooring, carpeting in the house leading to an area I can put my dump trailer to load the garbage, etc. now you bring me the required materials to start the rebuild, hopefully you don't forget the Durock screws, tile adhesive, grout, etc to continue working. Now say you forgot something or worse I forgot something because I thought you would automatically know all that's needed to complete your Reno job, we face a delay again. No ones fault really but I'm doing this almost 40 years and have seen more delays than Tamoa airport. Hopefully all goes well up to now and then I can re-install the used toilet and vanity, again without damaging either one, after bathroom was painted, all the while trying to keep customer happy as a clam, while still trying to run my business and make money. That includes making a profit on top of a salary, taxes, insurances, etc. so if I damage anything, new or previously installed, I can buy new materials to repair properly. If I can't make a salary, plus expenses, and a profit on any job I look at, I tell the homeowner that it doesn't look like I could do their project. I wish you luck in finding a contractor to work with you, but please stay away from unlicensed and/or uninsured "contractors".
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Old 09-27-2019, 08:57 AM
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Thanks for the reply. How else should I price this, I don't want contractor picking out my tub or tile?? Or should I pick it out, have contractor buy it (at wholesale I presume), and then pay contractor retail for it? Or pay him wholesale?? I understand salaries and insurance and overhead, but I feel sorry for contractors that try and cover all their costs for the month out of 5x7 bathroom with 75 pieces of tile and 500lbs of debris @$20 the dump

How long should remodel like this take? 3 days? So that I can figure out hourly

With unlicensed offers coming in at 3k, what would be licensed/insured offers? 4k? 6k?




Originally Posted by Bsully24 View Post
As a licensed and insured contractor, NY not Florida, your type of requests for labor only pricing is a red flag about the job. After I try to remove the existing toilet and vanity, of course without damaging them, I'm now required to move them somewhere else in your house to store until I'm ready to reinstall them, again without damage. Then I assume I need to give you a list of what's needed to complete the demo, cover your existing flooring, carpeting in the house leading to an area I can put my dump trailer to load the garbage, etc. now you bring me the required materials to start the rebuild, hopefully you don't forget the Durock screws, tile adhesive, grout, etc to continue working. Now say you forgot something or worse I forgot something because I thought you would automatically know all that's needed to complete your Reno job, we face a delay again. No ones fault really but I'm doing this almost 40 years and have seen more delays than Tamoa airport. Hopefully all goes well up to now and then I can re-install the used toilet and vanity, again without damaging either one, after bathroom was painted, all the while trying to keep customer happy as a clam, while still trying to run my business and make money. That includes making a profit on top of a salary, taxes, insurances, etc. so if I damage anything, new or previously installed, I can buy new materials to repair properly. If I can't make a salary, plus expenses, and a profit on any job I look at, I tell the homeowner that it doesn't look like I could do their project. I wish you luck in finding a contractor to work with you, but please stay away from unlicensed and/or uninsured "contractors".
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One thing to consider is that in doing bathroom remodels the size of the bathroom doesn't really mean much. It could be double that size and only cost 10% more. The only difference is the cost and time to paint and maybe a few more tiles.
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Well if it’s not that big of a job (per you) just do it yourself.
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You can spec anything you want.
I used to do time and materials a lot.
You pick tub, you pick tile, you pick everything.
BUT your contracter needs to know all this to explain any issues with your choices and that is part of the TIME cost.

Never let a contractor spec your remodel materials unless you absolutely trust them and their quality.
Not all materials all the same level of quality. Tile backer board, screw type, valve body type, vanity cabinet materials etc have numerous quality levels.
Be an informed consumer but understand the contractors time should be compensated. Especially if theyhave to hand hold you at each step. But that goes with the job in my professional experience.

I have spent plenty of time with the customer going over material options and quality tiers. But again, you will be paying for that.

With that said, most contractors will give you a quote and value engineer the job to make the most profit. Cutting corners wherever they can.
Pro flippers and remodeler spec everything in the contract. Leave nothing to doubt.
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The best you can do is, obtain a minimum of three quotes from licensed/nsured contractors. You provide them with a scope of work (who does what, who buys what, etc) Good contractors are VERY busy, bad contractors are VERY available. Ask for references, don't put money up front!
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What type of tile is in there now that needs to be demoed? I have torn out showers that have the metal lathe and concrete as a substrate. It is a pain in the ass. There is no telling what type of plumbing is in the walls but unless you are reusing the mixing valve, that will have to be addressed. There will be drywall work involved as well. I flip houses for a living and haven't had to bid a job for a homeowner in years, but the pricing doesn't seem that far off. As already mentioned, the contractor will have to get that mess out of your house without making a bigger mess, which will take longer.

Timewise, I would figure on a week at the minimum. When I was doing remodel work, I learned (real quick) that you have to figure a few hours a day of set up and clean up for a job like that in a home that was occupied.
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Also, you didn't mention flooring. A 34" tub will probably be wider than what is in there now, so if the existing floor is staying, that will have to be addressed unless it it vinyl.
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Originally Posted by Wavehight View Post
Also, you didn't mention flooring. A 34" tub will probably be wider than what is in there now, so if the existing floor is staying, that will have to be addressed unless it it vinyl.
Floor is terazzo, i want to keep it. Tub 60.wide (wall to wall) apron style 3 open sides acrylic
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Originally Posted by alwhite00 View Post
Well if it’s not that big of a job (per you) just do it yourself.
Most definitively
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Nothing special, some old school pink tile.

I had vanity and toilet installed a year ago, piping was copper

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What type of tile is in there now that needs to be demoed? I have torn out showers that have the metal lathe and concrete as a substrate. It is a pain in the ass. There is no telling what type of plumbing is in the walls but unless you are reusing the mixing valve, that will have to be addressed. There will be drywall work involved as well. I flip houses for a living and haven't had to bid a job for a homeowner in years, but the pricing doesn't seem that far off. As already mentioned, the contractor will have to get that mess out of your house without making a bigger mess, which will take longer.

Timewise, I would figure on a week at the minimum. When I was doing remodel work, I learned (real quick) that you have to figure a few hours a day of set up and clean up for a job like that in a home that was occupied.
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Originally Posted by unobtanium View Post
Looking to get small 5x7ft bathroom remodeled

Demo
Install deep acrylic tub 60in x 34in wide
Tile around tub to ceiling (roughly 75sqft total)
Reuse existing toilet and vanity that are newer
Paint

I provide materials, tub, tile, etc.

There will be some durock work. No work on floors

Getting labor quotes in $3000 range mostly, these are not licensed or insured contractors. WTF

$3k for labor is the going rate (unlicensed)....no major changes in electrical/plumbing... like someone said above, size does not make a big impact...unless you obviously talk about a BIG bathroom.
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I did my own bathroom once, never again. Laying tile is an art. yea you can do it yourself but you will be no where near the guy that does it every day.
Bathroom remodel for me = all new stuff.

Did it 2 years ago and although wife picked high end tile, everything was $10K. This was a stand up shower though, sliding glass door. Once you walked past the door frame, everything was new including the threshold.
We did 3 bathrooms upstairs including the master. Used them for 3 years than sold the house. I kid you not, the bathrooms were a HUGE part of the sale and the buyer repeated it over and over again. Make bathrooms look nice. you will enjoy it and it you will retain what you paid for it.
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Originally Posted by unobtanium View Post
Floor is terazzo, i want to keep it. Tub 60.wide (wall to wall) apron style 3 open sides acrylic
The standard width of a tub is 60", I was referring to where you said the depth (length, whatever) is 34" of the new tub. Most tubs are less than that. I'm not familiar with terrazzo flooring. I have heard of it but don't really know what it is. We don't have it here. If the new tub is wider than what is being torn out, can the tub rest on top of it?

Either way, it doesn't sound like you're getting fleeced, as long as they do good work. The lack of insurance and licensing could bite you in the ass if things don't go well. You won't have any recourse. I am licensed and insured, so I don't like those guys, but I can see why they do it. I am currently dealing with a lazy building department that is costing me $100 a day bc my house won't close and the officials could care less. If I never pulled a permit, my house would be sold. Doing things the right way isn't always the right way it seems, but that is another discussion. Feel free to ask any more questions.
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How much lower were you expecting??? 3k sounds about right.
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Seems cheap.
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Sorry 34 is width of the tub,, its only 16 or 18 deep or something

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The standard width of a tub is 60", I was referring to where you said the depth (length, whatever) is 34" of the new tub. Most tubs are less than that. I'm not familiar with terrazzo flooring. I have heard of it but don't really know what it is. We don't have it here. If the new tub is wider than what is being torn out, can the tub rest on top of it?

Either way, it doesn't sound like you're getting fleeced, as long as they do good work. The lack of insurance and licensing could bite you in the ass if things don't go well. You won't have any recourse. I am licensed and insured, so I don't like those guys, but I can see why they do it. I am currently dealing with a lazy building department that is costing me $100 a day bc my house won't close and the officials could care less. If I never pulled a permit, my house would be sold. Doing things the right way isn't always the right way it seems, but that is another discussion. Feel free to ask any more questions.

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