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Golden Tiles closes rec June 17 2019

Old 06-13-2019, 11:10 AM
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Default Golden Tiles closes rec June 17 2019

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/bulle...lantic-june-17

WHAT/WHEN:
  • The 2019 recreational fishing season for golden tilefish in South Atlantic federal waters will close at 12:01 a.m. (local time) on June 17, 2019.Recreational harvest for the 2020 fishing year in South Atlantic federal waters will open at 12:01 a.m. (local time) on January 1, 2020.
  • The 2019 golden tilefish recreational catch limit is 2,316 fish. Reports indicate that recreational landings have reached the 2019 recreational catch limit.

First off - serious question - Florida is in the North Atlantic and it says this closure is for South Atlantic federal waters. How can that be legally binding?

You guys might find it interesting (amusing, disgusting) to peruse the recreational catch reports for ALL species reported by NOAA at the link below. The table for Jan-Feb 2019 shows 15,375 rec tilefish caught (GREAT JOB guys). Now, they state the rec limit is 2,316 fish so these CLOWNS left it open for 4 months after exceeding their fake, made up limit with fake made up catch reports by more than 6X their catch limit. Way to be on top of it NOAA!!!!! Furthermore, the table from Jan-Feb 2018 shows 497 golden tiles. So we caught 30 times more the amount of tiles this year than last year, in the same 2 months 497---->15,375.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/south...ional-landings

Meanwhile, between longline and hook and line commercial they are currently at 313,690 POUNDS of golden tilefsh with over 18,000 pounds remaining for hook n line commercial before they reach their limit.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/south...rcial-landings

Absolutely 100% despicable.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:24 PM
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Head scratcher.
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Another great example of our taxdollars at work.
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NOAA is f’ing insane!!!!! Tell me how they come up with that number for Golden Tiles?!?!?
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I call BS....
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no real science here. it's all $$$$ motivated.
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It is simple really. Guys have been posting up photos of goldens & snowys more this year.
So their lying "extrapolate the photos on the web" formula, said close it a couple months earlier this year.

"The reports indicate" means photos they see us posting on the web, what other data do they have
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What region does this cover?
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I suspect the 100% despicable part will occur next year.
They are saying we over fished the allotment by over 600%.
So golden tiles will probably go in that little footnote that jewfish, nassau grouper, warsaw grouper,
kitty mitchel grouper etc. are already in.
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What region does this cover?
SAMFC, I think it's Virginia to the Keys
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Originally Posted by Shoeless View Post
NOAA is f’ing insane!!!!! Tell me how they come up with that number for Golden Tiles?!?!?
Give you a clue, the same way they come up with the red snapper numbers.
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Originally Posted by Grunts N Grits View Post
I suspect the 100% despicable part will occur next year.
They are saying we over fished the allotment by over 600%.
So golden tiles will probably go in that little footnote that jewfish, nassau grouper, warsaw grouper,
kitty mitchel grouper etc. are already in.
This!! They will say the Rec sector exceeded the TAC for the 2019 season and they will eliminate or drastically reduce the 2020 season. Just wait till fall, they will have a meeting in the fall. Fisheries management is F-ed.
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Pretty soon there'll be no point to deep drop Summer is when conditions flatten out and encourages a run out there.
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What is the TAC for rec vs comm?
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Rec is about 10% Comm 90%. Longline portion of commercial is closed. Hard to quantify though as rec is tallied by extrapolated numbers while commercial is by actual weight.

Until rec anglers figure out a way to accurately report exact numbers,this kind of stuff is going to happen.
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Originally Posted by froggyfisherman View Post
Rec is about 10% Comm 90%. Longline portion of commercial is closed. Hard to quantify though as rec is tallied by extrapolated numbers while commercial is by actual weight.

Until rec anglers figure out a way to accurately report exact numbers,this kind of stuff is going to happen.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/actio...l-catch-limits

3% rec 97% commercial.
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Originally Posted by chad.sfds View Post
Allocation, and there is your problem. I would like to know what sector provides the most economic benefit. Wait a minute, I already know!

And those longlines aren't taking other protected specie.

Split the TAC 50 50 and eliminate the long lines, problem solved.
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I doubt the real number is even close to 2300 fish. I'd like to know how the counting is accomplished? I'd also like to know how many blueline tiles were counted into this number either by recs or enforcment that don't know the difference.
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I doubt the real number is even close to 2300 fish. I'd like to know how the counting is accomplished? I'd also like to know how many blueline tiles were counted into this number either by recs or enforcment that don't know the difference.
Well hamma if you're thinking its much lower, according to NOAA you'd be way wrong. The number reported by NOAA for recs for Jan-Feb 2019 is 15,375 fish. You can see that at the link I posted up in the OP. Of course, this is FUCKING preposterous for any two months, let alone the two most unfishable months in the North Atlantic. Even more so when you factor in they reported a much more believable number of 497 fish for Jan-Feb 2018.

How the counting was accomplished you asked. Well, I have an inquiry in about trying to obtain those details, but here is the section of NOAA responsible for producing that number. Southeast Fisheries Science Center (SEFSC)...they produce the Annual Catch Limit (ACL) landings datasets- https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/conta...science-center

Now, I was told there is a "lag" in getting the data so they did not provide this Jan/Feb dataset to NOAA until May 31, 2019 which is why it remained open until now.

The whole organization/process is an absolute joke. It is infuriating.....but rather than just bellyache about it as its pretty clear there hasn't yet been any organized "anything" we can do about it....I am at least trying to look at the data either that they publish or through further inquiry to really understand just how egregious and erroneous this is. And then I will waste my time a little farther to document and summarize it in letters to mail to our Congress representatives.

And I agree - accuracy of numbers aside, 3% is an absolute joke and slap in the face to the recreational allocation where NOAA identifies us as a "cultural cornerstone". In 2015, nearly 9 million saltwater anglers took 61 million fishing trips generating $63 billion in sales impacts, $36 billion in value-added impacts, $22 billion in income impacts, and supporting 439,000 U.S. jobs.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/insig...tional-fishing

But have no fear, this is why they created the "National Saltwater Recreational Fisheries Policy"...NOAA Fisheries created a policy to better serve America’s recreational saltwater anglers and the communities that rely on them.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/natio...sheries-policy
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