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Is Fort Lauderdale officially becoming New Jersey??

Old 05-10-2019, 05:30 PM
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Just read today that the Mayor and the Council are preparing to do the following:

1) MORE than double their pay.
2) Full medical for themselves and their families.
3) $800 per month expense allowance.
4) Pension.

This sort of stuff is what I saw happening in NJ -- and is 100% unsustainable.

Anyone else following this?
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Are they elected positions?
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Are they elected positions?
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I wonder what party they belong to?
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I'll give you one guess. Anymore benefits and you might see more people running for public office in Ft. Lauderdale. Then you could vote'em out.

I had a buddy locally that had a sign shop. He got mad at our city council's spending, and he printed a couple of thousand signs in black and white saying "Vote'em All Out." And at the election, the electorate did vote'em all out. This one man affected politics in our town for 10 years.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
Just read today that the Mayor and the Council are preparing to do the following:

1) MORE than double their pay.
2) Full medical for themselves and their families.
3) $800 per month expense allowance.
4) Pension.

This sort of stuff is what I saw happening in NJ -- and is 100% unsustainable.

Anyone else following this?
Should of stayed in NJ
Florida is a shit hole.
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by r.waddill View Post
I wonder what party they belong to?
Point of information: Fort Lauderdale Mayoral and City Council races are non-partisan; candidates cannot disclose or promote party affiliation by law.
This does not mean that affiliations do not exist...
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I thought y’all engineered the blue green algae to steer them to Alabama..
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Originally Posted by r_ventura_23 View Post
Should of stayed in NJ
Florida is a shit hole.
yea dude its terrible down here. i fished 250 days last year and the 6.3% state income tax i didn't pay buys a lot of drinks for tourist chicks that want more than a tan when they come down.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
Just read today that the Mayor and the Council are preparing to do the following:

1) MORE than double their pay.
2) Full medical for themselves and their families.
3) $800 per month expense allowance.
4) Pension.

This sort of stuff is what I saw happening in NJ -- and is 100% unsustainable.

Anyone else following this?
You can always move back.
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Old 05-11-2019, 01:32 AM
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Pete,
You should be a little more forthright in your posting.
This was just a snippet of the article I found.
First off, it's not like they are getting paid alot, and second, it was proposed, not passed.
"Fort Lauderdale’s mayor and city commissioners are preparing to more than double the salaries they will get if they win re-election.They’re also planning to beef up monthly expense accounts, and add a retirement plan that would apply to politicians after the next city elections in 2020.The current salary is $30,000 for commissioners and $35,000 for the mayor. The new salaries would be $65,700 for commissioners and $78,840 for the mayor. That’s significantly more than was proposed —and defeated — just two years ago.Fort Lauderdale Mayor Dean Trantalis, an attorney who previously served as a city commissioner, has pushed for the raises for several years, saying it would allow someone who isn’t wealthy to hold office.The job has been considered part-time, but Trantalis and others say it shouldn’t be."
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I'm amazed. There are people in South Florida that actually think this is a good idea? I'm eager to learn more.

dpdash -- I didn't know you were connected to local politics. Sorry-about-that... I consider you to be a decent guy, so I didn't mean to offend you.

I'd be interested in hearing why people think this is a good idea. Maybe I'm missing something. As someone who watched this sort of thing unfold in another State, I saw how it leads to the destruction of a pretty decent place to live.

Go ahead. I'm listening.
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Originally Posted by reef time View Post
Point of information: Fort Lauderdale Mayoral and City Council races are non-partisan; candidates cannot disclose or promote party affiliation by law.
This does not mean that affiliations do not exist...
LOLOLOLOL... 'ya think? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...

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When you start adding things like a medical plan and pension you're getting into career positions. That's what's wrong today. They're not community service anymore. When someone spends many multiples of an annual salary to get elected - breeds corruption.
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Originally Posted by Blazer7420 View Post
Pete,
You should be a little more forthright in your posting.
This was just a snippet of the article I found.
First off, it's not like they are getting paid alot, and second, it was proposed, not passed.
"Fort Lauderdale’s mayor and city commissioners are preparing to more than double the salaries they will get if they win re-election.They’re also planning to beef up monthly expense accounts, and add a retirement plan that would apply to politicians after the next city elections in 2020.The current salary is $30,000 for commissioners and $35,000 for the mayor. The new salaries would be $65,700 for commissioners and $78,840 for the mayor. That’s significantly more than was proposed —and defeated — just two years ago.Fort Lauderdale Mayor Dean Trantalis, an attorney who previously served as a city commissioner, has pushed for the raises for several years, saying it would allow someone who isn’t wealthy to hold office.The job has been considered part-time, but Trantalis and others say it shouldn’t be."
You people need to live in New Jersey for a bit. Take a look at the disaster it has become. This sort of "vote" is horrible. It should be on a referendum. Let the people decide. I understand that some of you might have a dog in the race... I get it... but Florida is a great place to live. Amazing growth and opportunity. This is a very bad step in the wrong direction.

And... perhaps it is *YOU* who should be a little more whatever and post the balance? Be sure and read it all. Nice try:
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The salaries would automatically increase each year, so future elected officials could avoid the sensitive vote.

Here’s what the mayor and commissioners propose to vote on:
  • A $750 a month expense account, or $9,000 a year, for cell phone, car and office purchases. Currently, commissioners get $300 a month and the mayor gets $500.
  • Health insurance coverage for elected officials’ spouses, partners or dependents. Currently, city taxpayers pick up the bill for coverage of just the elected official. Commissioners and the mayor would pay an insurance premium to help offset the cost of the expanded coverage, if it is approved, officials said.
  • A retirement plan, the details of which haven’t been determined.
The vote must take place before July 31, the city manager said. The increases would go into effect after the November 2020 election, so city officials don’t have to figure out where the money would come from just yet.

Commissioner Heather Moraitis said she couldn’t fit a part-time second job into her schedule, because of the rigors of her post as a city commissioner. She said she was also offered a six-figure job outside City Hall but turned it down.

“If we want to attract educated and committed candidates to run for office,” Moraitis said, “we should offer a salary that allows someone to do this full-time.”

Several members of the current commission have income from outside jobs. On the commission are a lawyer, a contractor, a leadership trainer and two former educators.


New City Commission gets started »Over the years, the job has been held by lawyers, homemakers, a cleaning lady, a landscaper, a former police chief and many others. Some worked as part-time commissioners, some worked more than that.

Calendars for the current commissioners, released under the public records law, show erratic but busy schedules with ribbon cuttings and community meetings at odd hours, mid-day or in evenings.

Most had days dotted with unscheduled blocks of time, but an unceasing social calendar that left few days fully free.

The events: Dinners with dignitaries, tours and parties, speaking engagements, ceremonies, meetings with lobbyists and with residents.

In addition, city elected officials said they spend hours reading meeting agenda packetsand answering calls and emails from city residents.

The City Commission meets twice monthly. Commissioners and the mayor are not directly involved in running the city. They create policies, and the city is run by a professional city manager and staff.

Only Commissioner Robert McKinzie did not provide his calendar, a public record. City staff said Thursday they were still working to provide it.

Though commissioners are legally prohibited from granting themselves immediate raises, commissioners can put the package in place for whomever is elected next — including themselves. All five on the City Commission are eligible to run for re-election.

City Attorney Alain Boileau said commissioners can’t give themselves raises, higher expense allowances or new retirement and health benefits.

“The logic behind the rule, the charter provision, is you shouldn’t be voting on something that’s going to benefit yourself, this current term,” Boileau said at a recent City Commission meeting. “Everything would carry over to the next commission.”

Before it could go into effect, the City Commission would have to vote on it in a public hearing.

Betty Shelley, 89, who retired from international finance, said she’s open to the idea if the city can afford it and does it properly, letting the public know what it’s up to.

“There’s always been a lot of people talking that they couldn’t afford to be a commissioner,” said Shelley, president of the Imperial Point Association. “I’ve heard that for years.”

City Manager Chris Lagerbloom said the new proposed salaries are based on the income for the median family in Broward County.

The “median” means half the households in Broward bring in more than $65,700, and half bring in less. The figure is not for one individual; a household could have more than one salary.

City commissioner and mayor salaries were last increased in 2002.

Back then, commissioners made $14,044 and the mayor made $16,185. Commissioners had a $100 monthly expense account and the mayor had $250.

The salaries were raised to $30,000 plus a $500 expense account for commissioners, and $35,000 and a $300 expense account for the mayor.

The idea returned in 2017, with a proposed increase to $45,000 for commissioners and $50,000 for the mayor.


Are Fort Lauderdale commissioners underpaid? »Trantalis, a commissioner at the time, supported the raise.

Then-Commissioner Romney Rogers, an attorney, argued against it.

“Dean, I understand what you’re saying, but this is not a full time job. ... I know public service requires sacrifice, and I think that’s the way it should be.”

The proposed salary would be higher than others in the region, according to a salary survey conducted by the city.

Miami commissioners make $58,200, though they have a richer expense allowance.

Miramar commissioners make $34,175.

Coral Springs commissioners make $18,800.

Hollywood’s commissioner salary is $29,561.

In Pembroke Pines, commissioners make just $24,360, but have $913 monthly expense accounts and a $552 monthly car allowance.

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When you start adding things like a medical plan and pension you're getting into career positions. That's what's wrong today. They're not community service anymore. When someone spends many multiples of an annual salary to get elected - breeds corruption.

Thank goodness I haven't lost my mind. I posted this in the Florida area figuring it would go the right way... someone the takers jumped in and here we are. I'm with you 100%!
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It is all over Broward. Look at the school district, bond issues, what happened to the Southside School fiasco. It is incompetence. They don't know how to manage anything. Look at how the property appraiser uses his name everywhere.
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Pete,
Don't you live in Pompano?
I live here, lived in Ft. Lauderdale since 1982, even then it was growing.
I know some people on the Commission personally, and, I know the past three Mayors personally.
Since I have moved here, the town/city has grown exponentially. Being Mayor used to be done by locals for locals (or at least their family). :-)
It was a part time job (Which has grown to more than that) that didn't pay much, but you got your own parking spot. (The folks who were Mayor didn't need the money).
Nowadays, the folks who don't need the money, don't want to be Mayor, it's alot like work.
Also, they aren't from here, guess where they are from? Yup, up North.
In the end, someone has to do the job and it is a job. Trantillis wants more money, fine, just make sure he earns it. He doesn't vote him out next time around.
Ft. Lauderdale has grown, it's a very small community left of "locals", lot's of transplants (I am one, born in Miama, still not a local here in Ft Laud) and with that come their ideas.
Want to get your blood boiling, look in the City Managers position, particularity the last one.
Or, the Sheriff.
To the bilge.
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Fine, let them vote themselves a big raise. But in return they each have to reduce their permanent staff by one person, it's the career bureaucrats that suck dry the budget.

Ben Sorenson got my vote last election. If he votes yes I'll be less inclined to support him again.
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Pete,
Don't you live in Pompano?
I live here, lived in Ft. Lauderdale since 1982, even then it was growing.
I know some people on the Commission personally, and, I know the past three Mayors personally.
Since I have moved here, the town/city has grown exponentially. Being Mayor used to be done by locals for locals (or at least their family). :-)
It was a part time job (Which has grown to more than that) that didn't pay much, but you got your own parking spot. (The folks who were Mayor didn't need the money).
Nowadays, the folks who don't need the money, don't want to be Mayor, it's alot like work.
Also, they aren't from here, guess where they are from? Yup, up North.
In the end, someone has to do the job and it is a job. Trantillis wants more money, fine, just make sure he earns it. He doesn't vote him out next time around.
Ft. Lauderdale has grown, it's a very small community left of "locals", lot's of transplants (I am one, born in Miama, still not a local here in Ft Laud) and with that come their ideas.
Want to get your blood boiling, look in the City Managers position, particularity the last one.
Or, the Sheriff.
To the bilge.
I do a lot of things that are A LOT of work for free. I volunteer a large amount of my time and get nothing monetary back. So does my wife. We both work full time and are raising a family.

If the work is really "too much" then find more people willing to do it. Think outside the box. Throwing more money and creating career politicians at the local level is an absolutely horrible idea. The problem is that by the time you guys realize it, the cancer will be too deep.

The hard part is that I have seen where this train goes -- literally. I lived it. I lived in several town in NJ and they all played the same game. To what end? The people who actually pay the bills are leaving in droves and property values are declining while they accelerate in areas that don't do this crap.

Need another illustration. Read about the city hall they built in Coral Springs...

To answer another question -- no, I don't live in Pompano or Fort Lauderdale... I'm in Deerfield. We have our own issues too! -- but issue is that once these towns see that one let it happen, they all fall in line at the feed bucket.

Extremely bad.
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