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Old 04-23-2019, 03:32 PM
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I hope Paul was wrong as well, but I don't think so.
My son and I have been talking a lot about this, especially the boating and drinking. He is a young Captain and this has been a good learning experience for him and his friends.
Chris is hanging in there, all the boys went carting last night and have been spending time over there trying to keep him occupied.
His relatives are here and taking care of things.
Tough times in the hood, that is for sure. LHP/Pompano is a tight knit fishing community.
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Old 04-23-2019, 03:37 PM
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Very few people spend as much time on the water in Miami as I do and I'm sorry, but there is no reason to hit that jetty. There are lit up channel markers for TWO MILES leading to the jetties. There are range markers telling you when you are in the center of Government Cut.

There is a near limitless supply of boaters in Miami who routinely play chicken with much larger vessels that can't turn in a narrow and can't slow down. Or, they just don't see these large vessels because they are looking everywhere but where they are going. There are rules and lights to protect them, and they just don't care.

The people in this case were careless and it cost them. Their son is paying the price for decisions they made and failed to make. Self preservation is becoming a lost skill in this world.
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Old 04-23-2019, 03:59 PM
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I am not familiar with the area, but
From looking at a couple of pics,
it looks like they were leaving the jetties. Looks like he was cutting North inside the Red can at the end of the jetties?
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Old 04-23-2019, 04:02 PM
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I hope that the story about them being at this place for many hours isn't true but most indicators say it is. Very sad.
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Old 04-23-2019, 05:19 PM
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Guessing I missed something. But i donít really care to listen to Paul in the morning.
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Old 04-23-2019, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dpdash View Post
Heard a very disturbing account of the couples day on the Paul Castronova radio show this am, I hope he got some bad information, Iím not going to be the one to speculate on here because I donít know, but it will come out.
I understand DPDash not wanting to comment on what Castronovo said, but would anyone else like to repeat what Paul said? He is a very active boater and IIRC he lives in LHP. If anyone can shed some light before the official report, it's him. Thanks!

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Old 04-23-2019, 06:14 PM
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There is a lighted red marker right at the end of the north jetty and a matching lighted green one on the south side of the channel entrance:

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Old 04-23-2019, 06:19 PM
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Had there been any word on who was at the helm?
I dropped a pin on the Red marker and measured to the rocks.
It appears to be about 250' between the two
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Old 04-23-2019, 06:49 PM
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tarpononecharter, Again this is terrible no one has the words to express such a tragedy. There is no win in this, everyone looses. I don't now where you do most of your boating. And not using this tragedy in anyway as an example. Just generalizing, But what is happening here in South Florida where I do most of my boating South of Gov. cut. Its catastrophic on the weekends. Its incomprehensible what goes on. It starts at the boat ramps, and the docks and it continues out the entire day. And these issues are happening at noon, let alone at night.
Well said! I am no Licensed Captain by any mean, just an avid waterman. I do most of my boating in South Fl and The Florida Keys. The things you see at the marinas in South Fl makes no sense.

Just in December at Crandon Park, I was pulling out the boat and someone with an SUV has literally slammed on the gas, in Reverse and ended up at the end of the dock, just floating. I did't stick around to see the end result but it made no sense.

The more I boat int he Keys, the more I enjoy it.

This is a tragic story no matter how we spin it.
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Old 04-23-2019, 07:11 PM
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Isn't this #12 marker in the background? I know that the telephoto lens use will make that look closer in the photo though.


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Old 04-23-2019, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapi View Post
I understand DPDash not wanting to comment on what Castronovo said, but would anyone else like to repeat what Paul said? He is a very active boater and IIRC he lives in LHP. If anyone can shed some light before the official report, it's him. Thanks!

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Truely a tragic situation. Prayers go out to the family and that poor kid who has to grow up without parents over what was likely a series of bad decisions.

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Old 04-23-2019, 08:35 PM
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The talk on the radio show by Paul Castronovo is that the group of four left Lighthouse Point around 1 pm and drove the boat down to Monty's in Coconut Grove. There, they allegedly partied heavily until 8:30 pm, and other patrons discouraged them from getting in the boat and driving away because they were so hammered. They said they were ok, and by 9:15 pm, they had struck the north jetty. That's the story he reported. I'm sure the facts, whatever they are,will come out in the LEO investigations. But no one will be surprised if these are the facts.

My interest is doing whatever we can to prevent another needless tragedy on those dark jetties. Although the Coast Guard said after the Hernandez deaths on the North Jetty that lights or markers on the jetty might confuse mariners, I find that to be ridiculous. The US Aids to Navigation specifically provide for yellow lighted special purpose buoys which can be used to mark obstructions such as wrecks, pipelines, or specifically "jetties." Also, white informational or regulatory marks may be lit with a white flashing or steady light. Several lighted yellow purpose buoys or lighted white informational or regulatory marks could be placed at intervals along the 1000 foot north jetty (and similarly along the south jetty) to warn boaters of its presence. It's hard to see how in the world such an array -- which would be included in the charts and on chart plotters -- could possibly confuse any sober mariner. And such lighted buoys or marks might well provide that last warning which could prevent even a greatly impaired boater from killing himself and others.

This nonsense spouted on THT that everyone needs to take personal responsibility and if you don't, to hell with you, is stupid and cruel. Lives might be saved at little cost by installing a couple of lighted marks along these well-known deathtraps.
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Old 04-23-2019, 08:45 PM
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Really? " nonsense spouted on THT that everyone needs to take personal responsibility ". That is indefensible talk.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:15 PM
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If they were hammered no light could help, Jilybird. You are talking from both sides of your mouth. The common denominator of these accidents is intoxication not poor lighting. Thousands of non intoxicated people successfully navigate the channel. The lights you desire to have installed aren't for sober operators. They don't seem to be having an issue. It's the drunk ones.

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Old 04-23-2019, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jillybird View Post
This nonsense spouted on THT that everyone needs to take personal responsibility and if you don't, to hell with you, is stupid and cruel. Lives might be saved at little cost by installing a couple of lighted marks along these well-known deathtraps.
Jillybird. I'm not sure what boating is like in NY. But down here in South Florida We are having issues that cost peoples live and others as well. Everyone has seen this Video all over the internet.
My point is anyone with half a brain would call it a day if you find that your trailer breaks in half. RIGHT??? Wrong. Look at the chaos that happened and he never left the dock. What do you think his knowledge of the handling a boat properly and being aloud on the water? "0" This goes on every weekend in Miami. Every damn Weekend!! There are serious concerns down here. And it does not seem to Click until someone Dies.

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Old 04-24-2019, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by GaryDoug View Post
Isn't this #12 marker in the background? I know that the telephoto lens use will make that look closer in the photo though.


No. Number 12 is past the jetties and is denoted on the charts as QR, or quick red. If you aren't sure about that one, there is another one farther out past the jetties. This is Number 10, denoted as FL R 2.5, a red flashing buoy that flashes every 2.5 seconds. An experienced boater would know what these mean on a chart and would look before hauling butt out an inlet.
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Originally Posted by cronced View Post
Very few people spend as much time on the water in Miami as I do and I'm sorry, but there is no reason to hit that jetty. There are lit up channel markers for TWO MILES leading to the jetties. There are range markers telling you when you are in the center of Government Cut.

There is a near limitless supply of boaters in Miami who routinely play chicken with much larger vessels that can't turn in a narrow and can't slow down. Or, they just don't see these large vessels because they are looking everywhere but where they are going. There are rules and lights to protect them, and they just don't care.

The people in this case were careless and it cost them. Their son is paying the price for decisions they made and failed to make. Self preservation is becoming a lost skill in this world.

there's no reason for a US navy ship to hit a freight liner either. But it happened twice ! Instead of sitting back saying there's NO reason for shit to happen, understand accidents happen no matter the technology or the equipment we have on our boats, or our planes!!! Shit happens. Let not it back and blame it on inexperience ( which he wasn't ) , or alcohol, or any other matter! Lets try to do something about it so hopefully it doesnt happen again. If your not a part of the solution, then youre a part of the problem. Much love for you all.
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Originally Posted by cronced View Post
No. Number 12 is past the jetties and is denoted on the charts as QR, or quick red. If you aren't sure about that one, there is another one farther out past the jetties. This is Number 10, denoted as FL R 2.5, a red flashing buoy that flashes every 2.5 seconds. An experienced boater would know what these mean on a chart and would look before hauling butt out an inlet.
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Can you clarify your statement about marker locations using the image a few posts up because it doesn't seem to fit? Number 12 does look like it is right by the jetties and number 10 is further out.
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I can't say if putting extra lights will help prevent people who are highly intoxicated from running into the jetty.
If it's not too much cost and if there is improvement money to be spent. Go for it. Humans tend to try and make things safer all things considered.

On the flip side, Here in South Florida we have light reflectors glued to the road that are white if you are driving the correct way and red if you are going the wrong way.
We still have wrong way accidents. Most common factor is high intoxication.

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Originally Posted by cronced View Post
No. Number 12 is past the jetties and is denoted on the charts as QR, or quick red. If you aren't sure about that one, there is another one farther out past the jetties. This is Number 10, denoted as FL R 2.5, a red flashing buoy that flashes every 2.5 seconds. An experienced boater would know what these mean on a chart and would look before hauling butt out an inlet.
Wrong. It is #12, not #10. Check your chart again!
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