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Old 04-22-2019, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Snookyj View Post
Unfortunately this is the truth...you can light that jetty up like a christmas tree and somebody will still hit it.

do you have any proof to substantiate your statement?
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Old 04-22-2019, 07:51 AM
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the north jetty at ponce inlet is very similar to the one in government cut. a long strip of rocks, which goes out probably around 500 yards from the mainland. at high tide, those rocks are underwater, so no radar will pick it up. yes i agree that boaters should be more vigilant, however i have had trouble at night determining the distance of the jetty from mainland...and guess what??? THERE IS A WHITE LIGHT A THE VERY END OF THE JETTY WHICH SHOWS BOATERS HOW FAR THE JETTY PROTRUDES OUT !!!! can you guess how many boats have hit that jetty ( rocks) and flipped and died??? None! Zero !!!!!!!
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by THE BARRACUDA View Post
It's a huge tragedy but if you live in Dade county and witness what happens on the water. Its incredible that people don't die every weekend. There is absolutely no knowledge or understanding, values of any kind on the water.

Amen to that....there is another post on THT about a guy buying his first boat, a 27' and he asks what essential gear he should carry. Do you think he should be taking a USCG safe boating course before buying a boat!!!!
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:04 AM
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So sad..heart goes out to these families....16 and lost mom and dad on moms birthday...tough times for this young man. Hopefully someone there to step in for him..
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PelagicHunter View Post
do you have any proof to substantiate your statement?
And what is your proof to substantiate that lighting the jetty up like a Christmas tree will prevent this from happening???? With all the electronics on today's boats, there is NO REASON a sober person should hit that jetty or any other.
No matter how many red lights are placed at intersections, seems people still run the light and crash.
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PelagicHunter View Post
do you have any proof to substantiate your statement?
Yes he has years of on the job experience dealing with these issues on a daily basis.
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The jetty is well marked. It's a shipping lane so there are markers way out that are lit. Adding a spot light to it will make it a bigger distraction and impair your night vision. I'm sure there was a lapse of judgement and some complacency involved especially for such an experienced boater but it goes to show that you have to keep your guard up at night and only go as fast as you're willing to hit something. I don't know the deceased but it seems he is in many of the same circles I am a part of. RIP to them.
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:11 AM
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You don't have to look very far to start criticizing Florida about something.

I teach a comprehensive course that is CPR/AED/Emergency First Aid/Oxygen/Marine Life Injuries/Accident Management. I teach it about 4 times a year, 10 students at a time.

The one thing I always talk about is how Florida, in general, produces a poorly trained boat operator. Please note that I am not talking about this incident or the tragic deaths of the recently departed. By all accounts, this person was a competent operator.

In my opinion, Florida will often have a large pool of poorly trained boat operators because:
Florida has a large population of people who have access to a lot of disposable/liquid income. Boats are bigger, faster, louder, and have more extra "play" lighting than ever before.
Florida has thousands of miles of shoreline and navigable waters.
Florida has a boating season that is essentially 365 days a year.
Florida has more registered boats than anywhere in the U.S.
Florida has no requirement for a vessel operating permit or license. If you can write the check, you can take the helm.

And one of the most important things that many overlook, is that it's EASY to become complacent about safety in Florida. In the rest of the United States, 6 to 9 months of the year or so, if you end up in the water you have a limited amount of time before you die from exposure or hypothermia. In some states it's a year-round threat. Florida, however, we've become very complacent about boating safety because if we fall overboard we don't die right away. Florida, even in the winter, can be very forgiving with it's water temperatures.

I also agree with those that mentioned light pollution. There are so many lights in South Florida that perhaps adding even more may not exactly solve this dangerous area.

Very sad scenario all around.
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:27 AM
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Would idle ( off plane - no wake ) zones within a certain range of the inlets work? Prob hard to regulate but may help? Personally I never enter/exit an inlet on plane at night. Lots of people here in TX run up on them too.
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ono loco View Post
Would idle ( off plane - no wake ) zones within a certain range of the inlets work? Prob hard to regulate but may help?
That would probably help more than anything.

One of my lessons: "If you don't know, go slow".

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Old 04-22-2019, 08:30 AM
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I personally think lights would do more harm than good. It would add to the confusion of all of it, making a disoriented person moreso. How about someone fixated on the jetty lights slamming into a channel marker? Too many electronics, GPS, Autopilot that has diluted the seamanship pool. Really tragic a kid lost his parents. Even more tragic that people are going to blame it on geology.
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:43 AM
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with respect to Jose Fernandez's accident and what i believe occurred here (they were headed out of the channel and turned to port/north too early) light pollution would not have been an issue. it is only an issue coming in, if at all. operator error/alcohol/drugs are responsible for a vast majority of accidents on the water. lighting the jetty is not likely to help
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:57 AM
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My eyes are 61 years old and when I'm boating at night the fastest I'm going is about 8 knots and I have a son also looking out. Boats blast by me in Miami going 30kts and up and I'm having a hard time at 8. Never really understood it. My biggest fear is someone slamming into my stern.
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:00 AM
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so why are buoys lit with a red/ or green light? if that was the case , they would keep ALL buoys unlit if it caused confusion and disorientation.
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Originally Posted by Rferrell View Post
Do people not use plotters?
I have known people to drive into seawalls using plotters.
All these plotters, switches gauges provide so much light, it gives night blindness.
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:04 AM
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I always proceed with caution at night more than daytime. Run a little slower, looking for other boats with running lights and slow down even more when getting closer to shore. I think a large white light at the tip of the jetty and a public service announcement on all media would help all boaters. It may not prevent all accidents but if it saves a few lives it’s well worth the investment. After it’s installed we’ll be able to tell if it helps. So far at least 1-2 boats hit that jetty a year. Some fatal accidents and some are not fatal and barely make the news.
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:06 AM
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Default Cape Horn wreck

This is the same boat as was in marks video and the story is 3 dead one alive
Originally Posted by Muggin Mullet View Post
A few weeks back he posted a sandbar video of a Cape Horn that is wrapped. People in the comments were saying its possibly that boat. If it is, my lord. Seems the boat is owned by a father and the 15-17 year old kids use it alone often. Its a tragedy no matter who was on board. But if it was young kids....

Its hard to make out from his video but Im leaning more towards it not being that same boat.
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:15 AM
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My wife knew Elis. The husband had many years boating in south florida. It was a Cape Horn and wrapped - beautiful boat. I've been to Govt Cut at night and it's very difficult to see the rocks.

I have a good idea what happened. I was at the Marlin's game that night and after the game they had a big fireworks display. It went on from about 9:20 pm till 9:45 pm. The accident was reported
to have happened at approximately 9:30. Since the stadium is like only 7 miles from the coast, I bet they were running and distracted looking at the fireworks.

Very tragic. I was just warming up to Channel 7 and they pull that garbage going to the home and interviewing the 16 year old boy.
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Originally Posted by PelagicHunter View Post
so why are buoys lit with a red/ or green light? if that was the case , they would keep ALL buoys unlit if it caused confusion and disorientation.
That's the exact reason why all buoys and markers, everywhere, AREN'T lighted. Lighted ATON have specific characteristics to help identify their location. A quick flashing is usually in a bend, a Morse "A" is usually the main entrance to the channel.

That channel could not be marked any better. Unless I'm missing something, every ATON in the main channel is lighted. Again, there are range lights on both legs. You can glance over your shoulder and tell your aligned, but 90% of the folks running out of there wouldn't know what a range light was if the drove into it.

Reading and understanding a chart is a lost skill.
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by fishmaster273 View Post
They don't always do a good job of lining up the markers and sometimes they have multiple channels branching off into different directions so it can be a clusterfuck at times. It is in some parts if my area, doubt it's any different anywhere else.
Did you make this comment after the map was shown. It's very simple. Channel has a turn. All they had to do was follow the lights. Or if confused slow down. Hit the rocks ar 5 mph you scratch up the boat. HIt it at 30 you kill people.

These days it's always someone else fault when you duck up.
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Originally Posted by Blazer7420 View Post
I have known people to drive into seawalls using plotters.
All these plotters, switches gauges provide so much light, it gives night blindness.
My Garmin 8600s with all updates always had me 50' off of my local bridge channel. If I were to depend on it completely I would have run into the bridge. I had Flir night vision as well and radar of course. Stare at your FLIR display and your MFDs then look up and you won't see shit. I would turn all brightness down as low as it would go and put covers on non-essentials and have my son keep eyes on the water. Now days lots of people have their boats lit up like Christmas trees with disco lights everywhere. There are also tons of lights from the condos and hotels ashore at South Point.
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