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Old 05-19-2019, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ono loco View Post
Go all out and require a pilot on rec boats..thats what they would do in California if this happened more than once.
The reality is that they should requiere a license that involves safety and boat handling skill assesment. A large percent of the people the THT experts complaint about, would need to stay on land, along with enforcement.

imagine less boats in the water, nice!
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:02 AM
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The reality is that they should requiere a license that involves safety and boat handling skill assesment. A large percent of the people the THT experts complaint about, would need to stay on land, along with enforcement. imagine less boats in the water, nice!

Jose, while i appreciate your underlying thought about protecting the safety and well being of people involved in terrible accidents, some significant number of them are in those accidents because they ignore existing laws, regulations and guidelines such as BUI, navigation and dare I say it, common sense. Why would another law realistically help? They would likely ignore that one as well. I don't agree with coming up with a "magic bullet" fix of yet another law. There is no cure for a lack of common sense. It is horrible that in this case the young man endures such a horrific event - my heart goes out to him. But, a series of poor choices by his parents may have led to that. At this point, we do not know the facts, and indeed perhaps never will. Prayers for the young man, heartfelt thanks to those who are helping him through this, but I do not wish to jump to any conclusions about cause and possible effect/solution. Just my .02.

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Old 05-19-2019, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CurrentSea1 View Post
Jose, while i appreciate your underlying thought about protecting the safety and well being of people involved in terrible accidents, some significant number of them are in those accidents because they ignore existing laws, regulations and guidelines such as BUI, navigation and dare I say it, common sense. Why would another law realistically help? They would likely ignore that one as well. I don't agree with coming up with a "magic bullet" fix of yet another law. There is no cure for a lack of common sense. It is horrible that in this case the young man endures such a horrific event - my heart goes out to him. But, a series of poor choices by his parents may have led to that. At this point, we do not know the facts, and indeed perhaps never will. Prayers for the young man, heartfelt thanks to those who are helping him through this, but I do not wish to jump to any conclusions about cause and possible effect/solution. Just my .02.
Iím not talking about this accident in particular, but all the uneducated boaters on the water in general.

I do agree with you, hard to keep up with folks with no common sense. ďCommon sense is the least common of all sensesĒ

Iím not promoting a law, but there should be something that mandates boating education. New boaters simply donít know (which is no excuse) that there are naviagtion and boating rules, they just buy a boat and head out. Putting alcohol aside, there are plenty of sober boaters who have no clue what they are doing or not doing while operating a boat.
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Old 05-19-2019, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Saltydawg15 View Post
There is no harm in putting more lights.
I disagree. I believe that lighting the jetties would increase the danger element.
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Old 05-20-2019, 03:58 AM
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It's funny everyone points how they were drunk or not paying attention and you can't fix stupid but then when we start a thread asking who has grounded their boats or messed up on their boats before and you get all kinds here admitting to grounding their boats, launching without a plug,putting gas in a rod holder, etc. I am a very cautious boater but also realize I am not above making an error.
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Old 05-20-2019, 04:36 AM
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You can make things "fool proof", but you can't make 'em "dam fool proof"....
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Old 05-20-2019, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Saltydawg15 View Post
It's funny everyone points how they were drunk or not paying attention and you can't fix stupid but then when we start a thread asking who has grounded their boats or messed up on their boats before and you get all kinds here admitting to grounding their boats, launching without a plug,putting gas in a rod holder, etc. I am a very cautious boater but also realize I am not above making an error.
Címon, an error is one thing but drinking all day and into the night and blasting out an out of town inlet in the dark and up onto the clearly marked channel jetty is quite another thing.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Saltydawg15 View Post
It's funny everyone points how they were drunk or not paying attention and you can't fix stupid but then when we start a thread asking who has grounded their boats or messed up on their boats before and you get all kinds here admitting to grounding their boats, launching without a plug,putting gas in a rod holder, etc. I am a very cautious boater but also realize I am not above making an error.
How many people died from these errors? There's a big difference between leaving your plug out and hitting a well charted jetty and killing three people. We all make mistakes, but very few of us make deadly ones.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Saltydawg15 View Post
It's funny everyone points how they were drunk or not paying attention and you can't fix stupid but then when we start a thread asking who has grounded their boats or messed up on their boats before and you get all kinds here admitting to grounding their boats, launching without a plug,putting gas in a rod holder, etc. I am a very cautious boater but also realize I am not above making an error.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ukadrianj View Post
. We all make mistakes, but very few of us make deadly ones.
Usually only once...

So all you have to do is pass a law making it illegal to drink in excess and operate a boat..I'll bet 50% of the population would agree. Maybe add a boating tax also..yea tax it. Same 50% would want that also. Government has to protect people from themselves.
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Usually only once...

So all you have to do is pass a law making it illegal to drink in excess and operate a boat.
That law already exists.
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Old 05-22-2019, 11:29 AM
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Did the 4th person ever get released from the hospital?
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Old 05-22-2019, 12:00 PM
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I haven't had a chance to weigh in on the topic, but I firmly agree with many that said the Inlet is marked just fine. I did a little droning yesterday for Boat Safety Week to show the inlet a bit hopefully raise awareness to those new to the area or navigating for the first time.

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Nice production RG - Looks straight as hell to me and a no brainer. BTW- how far from the end were they when they struck the rocks? You need more rock than lights..
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A number of charter captains, including Bouncer Smith and Ray Rosher, have written to the Coast Guard Miami Sector recommending the installation of lighted yellow buoys at Government Cut in light of the recent fatalities and the many issues these great captains have witnessed while fishing/transiting the Cut over many years. I wrote the Sector Commander a letter a few weeks ago with my similar experiences and recommendations as well.
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Originally Posted by jillybird View Post
A number of charter captains, including Bouncer Smith and Ray Rosher, have written to the Coast Guard Miami Sector recommending the installation of lighted yellow buoys at Government Cut in light of the recent fatalities and the many issues these great captains have witnessed while fishing/transiting the Cut over many years. I wrote the Sector Commander a letter a few weeks ago with my similar experiences and recommendations as well.
If they don't want to put lights, then a few hundred tons of new boulders on the jetty and make it higher. Will make everybody happy.
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Originally Posted by JoseG View Post
If they don't want to put lights, then a few hundred tons of new boulders on the jetty and make it higher. Will make everybody happy.
I still like the idea that somebody had of providing pilots for hammered boaters. They take you from the bar and out the channel. Then you're free to weave you way homeward in deeper water.
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Old 05-22-2019, 04:14 PM
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After nearly 500 comments I really like the video that ReelGrim did. I had no idea the jetties were so low. If I was out at night around those damn things it would be idle speed until I was long gone past them.
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Old 05-22-2019, 04:24 PM
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Why hasn't anyone suggested harbor pilots like the big ships have? Obviously laws don't work, and no one is expected to take personal responsibility for their own actions. Speaking of laws, is there one specifically prohibiting boats from running into the jetties??
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Originally Posted by JoseG View Post
If they don't want to put lights, then a few hundred tons of new boulders on the jetty and make it higher. Will make everybody happy.
Well, that would potentially protect innocent boaters on the other side of the jetty from being hit with a flying boat.
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