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Old 06-04-2019, 07:40 AM
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Thumbs up Banax 1500TM Twin Motor Electric Reel

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Thanks for your patience. This project has been a long time coming. There were a few things that had to fall in place before I could make a formal announcement to the public.

After success with the Banax Kaigen 1000, Frigate Sales has worked very closely with Banax to develop a larger reel. Upgrading our offering together, and learning from the experiences with the Kaigen 1000.

I think they got tired of my begging and pleading...
Banax agreed to hold off developing a 750 size reel, and plotted a new course for developing a larger reel with Frigate Sales, the Kaigen 1500 Twin Motor.
It's been 18 months of development. We've had some differing opinions, but the final product absolutely exceeds my expectations. It's a great reel that I am very pleased to put my name behind.

The main goal here is offering a reel to get more folks into swordfishing - a traditionally cost prohibitive endeavor for a lot of us.

The 1500TM also adds capabilities to support planers, dredges, trolling, kite fishing, and of course deep dropping.

Retail price is $1349
Link to the webstore - note the spooling options, and availability of Hubbell 328DCP plugs being included and assembled:
1500TM on DeepDropper.com

Specifications:
- High speed retrieve 550 feet per minute.
- Low speed high torque mode for larger fish, reel will automatically shift speeds without stopping the spool
- 70# drag with empty spool, 50# drag with a full spool - very smooth. Motor torque exceeds these drag capabilities.
- Extremely large helical gearing for long term durability and quiet operation.
- Generously sized drag system for consistent performance over long battles.
- Honed and polished drag plates for smooth drag levels across all levels of drag.
- 7 large diameter carbon fiber greased drag washers.
- Oversized ceramic level wind guide (.230") easily handles windons, wax loops and kite swivels. The level wind design eliminates the chance of line wrap, and has a solid metal guide housing.
- Reel will display FEET or meters
- Solid core braid capacities:

65# Braid - 1300 Yards (Alternatively, 3000' of 65# braid, and a 250lb 100' wind on fits perfectly)
80# Braid - 1100 Yards
100# Braid - 875 Yards
130# Braid - 700 Yards

1 Year Warranty provided by Frigate Sales and Service

A few pictures of a final production model here:
Rear View
Right View
Left View
Front View
Reference for Scale
Sword Fishing

A lot of you have seen my comparison breakdown between the Kaigen 1000 and the competitor's 1000 reel. I received a ton of attention from that presentation. I'm an engineer and like knowing how things work.
I have a very similar presentation comparing the Daiwa 1200MJ 2 Speed, and the Shimano Beastmaster 9000, with the Banax Kaigen 1500TM.
See here:
1500TM Torture Test and Tear down

50 of these reels were shipped out in the first week of May, feedback has been very positive so far.

We are using the same motor we used in the Kaigen 1000. To this day, I have never seen one of them fail. And we've got thousands of them out there.

The gearing for the high speed motor is essentially the same ratio as the Kaigen 1000. Perfect for general deep dropping.

The gearing for the low speed turns the 1500TM into a torque monster. It gives the reel the ability to slowly grind away for extended periods of time, without generating significant heat and risking thermal overload. The goal here is the long slow battle with a swordfish - no surging, no drama, just good steady pull. Crank the drag down, and it will do a number on stubborn grouper or amberjack.

There was a manufacturing issue with the clutch release lever on the Kaigen 1000 at one point, and it's the first thing to break on the Kaigen 1000 if you mishandle the reel (ie. drop or smash into a dock... You know who you are) To eliminate this we have added a very robust aluminum clutch lever on the 1500TM. (this will be carried over to the Kaigen 1000 reel shortly as well!) The increased length lever makes releasing the weight easier than before as well.

The level wind has been designed to eliminate the chance of failure from line wrapping or extended use under extreme drag, and is enlarged for kite duty and sword wind on accomodation.

The power cord is the same as the Kaigen 1000 cord, should be good news to all of you existing customers.

The reel comes with a properly fitted neoprene cover and an aluminum reel clamp - both items I've been asked for repeatedly on the 1000.

A few notes:

The base of the reel is designed to accommodate a #2 Butt only, I am working with banax to have the 1500TM and the 1000 modified to accommodate a #4 Butt. The Beastmaster has the same issue.

I will be offering packages down the road with rods to support swordfishing, trolling, deep dropping, planer / dredge fishing, and kite fishing. Right now I have the deep drop, trolling rods, and a handful of my premium sword rods in stock (Both East Coast and Gulf Versions). There will be an economy sword rod offered in a few months, as well as the matching dredge / planar rod. All rods are manufactured in either South Korea or South Florida.

My intent with these rod selections is that you can unscrew the 2 piece rod, and use the reel for multiple applications, converting the rod to the desired action by swapping out the upper blank portion. This saves costs by buying fewer butts and reels, and translates to less clutter on your boat.
We did this with some of our test reels - wahoo fished with shaky baits (trolling rods), then ran planers for mackerel (stubby dredge rod), and then made a run to the sword grounds (sword rod) and a quick stop at a tile spot on the way in. All using the same reel and butt, just changing the upper portion of the rod. Toss a Winthrop butt on there and you can have a pretty versatile setup.

I'm darn excited about this new reel. I believe we have a winner here.

Thank you for taking the time to consider our product, we don't take it for granted, as we appreciate our customers greatly.
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Old 06-04-2019, 08:32 AM
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So who wants to buy my banax 1000???

Loving the 1500 specs, awesome looking reel with English and reads feet!
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Old 06-04-2019, 08:51 AM
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Is there a video?
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Old 06-04-2019, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by VanW View Post
Is there a video?
Don't you have one already??

Sure, here is a video:
1500TM VS 9K 20lbs
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Just ordered mine!

Looking forward to it.
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do you take Beastmasters in on trade?
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Originally Posted by Frigate Sales View Post
Don't you have one already??

Sure, here is a video:
1500TM VS 9K 20lbs
A reel? The video didn't work in the presentation for me.
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Hi James,

Are you pairing this reel with the Deep Dropper 30-60 rod? Do you think the 1500TM with the 30-60 rod would be a good pair for swordfishing/deep dropping?

Thank you!
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BDL,
For deep dropping the rod is a good match.

If you are swording, I'd recommend a faster action rod. I have a handful of sword rods in stock - fuji and winthrop hardware, seeker blank, manufactured by Posiedon rods. 2 versions - heavy for the east coast guys, a bit lighter for the gulf of mexico guys.

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I think this will be the perfect option for us guys who simply cant get to the sword grounds enough times to justify a Hooker or LP. I'm excited about this reel
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Have you been able to make a comparison to the SEABORG SB1200MJ? I can imagine it would be a bit biased but just curious.
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Originally Posted by wamc0206 View Post
Have you been able to make a comparison to the SEABORG SB1200MJ? I can imagine it would be a bit biased but just curious.
Of course it's biased! I actually did have high hopes for the Daiwa since it was a 2 speed, thought we'd have a battle.

Please reread the announcement and click on the torture test link - 3 reels are compared including the 1200MJ.



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Originally Posted by Frigate Sales View Post
Of course it's biased! I actually did have high hopes for the Daiwa since it was a 2 speed, thought we'd have a battle.

Please reread the announcement and click on the torture test link - 3 reels are compared including the 1200MJ.



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sorry, missed that completely
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Hi James.
Whats the problem with putting it in a No.4 butt? Would it work without the clamp? Will a reel foot conversion be available?
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Originally Posted by Eoin View Post
Hi James.
Whats the problem with putting it in a No.4 butt? Would it work without the clamp? Will a reel foot conversion be available?
The spacing of the hardware for the rod clamp is too narrow. The studs will interfere with the sides of the butt.
I've spoken with Banax about the issue and they are seeing what they can do, but it will be quite a few months even if we come up with a solution.

Yes, you can run the reels without a clamp.

Lots of folks out there swordfishing with #2 butts, and I have a few in stock.


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Originally Posted by Frigate Sales View Post
BDL,
For deep dropping the rod is a good match.

If you are swording, I'd recommend a faster action rod. I have a handful of sword rods in stock - fuji and winthrop hardware, seeker blank, manufactured by Posiedon rods. 2 versions - heavy for the east coast guys, a bit lighter for the gulf of mexico guys.

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Wow... Poseidon is making your rods? Good for you. Hands down the best rod manufacturer here by far. Buy these with confidence
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Hoping to see this thing in action Saturday, but weather is all over the place at the moment. Will be putting my 1000 to the test, too, if we can get out there.
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I hope you guys like to read.... Got this little write up from a customer - I let him demo one of my sword rod prototypes (Gulf rod, a bit too light for his needs unfortunately) and he had purchased the 1500TM in the beginning of May as one of the early adopters.
He's a long time sword guy out of Miami - Harry K - a few of you may have seen him on other forums.

Unedited testimonial:
James,
Great summary/comparison. It should help potential buyers understand the differences and how much they are getting for what they are paying. All the information about gear ratios and torque comparisons might go over some heads but I understood all of it and know how slowing down speeds of moving parts through gear ratios changes the heat generated in moving parts and especially drag components. Seeing the comparative size differences of similar components was impressive. Now let me tell you how the reel performed for me.


We fished on Sunday - first sword trip in quite awhile. I did not know how I was going to fish the reel until I got out to the grounds and checked the current. We had a 3.5 knot current which requires a minimum of 15 pounds to be able to accurately tell where you are fishing in relation to the bottom (just my preference). I hung a 15# weight on the rod and for my comfort level the rod seemed a bit light. I switched to 12# and feel that in the current we have to deal with that is about all the weight the rod comfortably handles. Without bait or hook, just the weight, I dropped the 15 pounder to the bottom and retrieved it at full speed. The reel handled that with no problem - a little warm to the palm of my hand but no more so than than the motor on the LP doing the same job but that motor is exposed and can be cooled if necessary with water. It's an option where the Banax "could" be sprayed for cooling purposes but due to the differences in how the reels are sealed (you can immerse an LP in saltwater as they are O-ring sealed and pressurized with 2# of nitrogen) I would only use FW if I chose to spray the Banax. I did not bother dropping 12# with it as I was comfortable that it retrieved over 2000 feet of line at full speed with the 15 pounder. In my opinion the rod and reel combination would work very well in the gulf where 6-8 pounds of weight is enough but here on the Atlantic side the rod maxes out with 12# on it which for a lot of guys is all they use even in the strongest current. My feelings, from experience, are as the current gets stronger and there is more belly in the line that the heavier the weight the more it does to set the hook on most fish, especially the larger ones that just cause the line to go slack as they swim up with the weight. It's why I prefer heavier rods and will use as much weight as I need to have a minimum amount of line out. Just my preference and I am sure not everyone would agree. We already discussed this. Now lets get into fishing.

I decided to use the Banax with no weight and use one of my LPs as a down rigger for it. It's how we fish if someone really wants to hand crank one with no weight on the line. On our second drop we had the release clip (set at 12#) pop as the rod came up and then bent over with the pull of the fish. Unfortunately for us, fortunately for you, we had hooked a Thresher Shark - your worst nightmare when sword fishing as they are extremely difficult to bring up and swim down to the bottom and stay as close to it as they can. The hook never pulls and they rarely chew through the leader and you are usually stuck with them for multiple hours, There is no mistaking them for any swordfish once you have caught one. I have had the misfortune of fighting at least a half dozen of them so I know when it is a Thresher quite quickly. The LPs struggle with them and they are so strong and run a lot that they usually damage the drag on the reel to the point that is starts to "bite" and causes the reel to surge rather than allow line to come off it smoothly. You have to manually run the reel (LP) to minimize drag friction and heat and only run the LP in slow speed which is a hassle as with a heavy pull on the line the reel will not start in slow speed so you must hold the spool with your palm, back the drag off, start the reel in high speed then drop it into slow and gradually push the drag lever up until you are taking in line. To make a 2+ hour story as short as I can I kept the reel in "power mode" and ran it as slow as I could when it would take line and stopped it as soon as I could not gain line. I had the reel preset to 22# of drag setting it with a scale. While the drag did get warmer through the fight my objective was to try and fight the fish without wrecking the reel even though I knew if I did ruin it you would take care of fixing it for me as I felt as though this was an even tougher test than a big sword, and anyone that has caught a 400# Thresher would agree! I never forced things, worked the fish with just the speed control and backed the drag off 3 or 4 times during the 2+ hours as I felt the reel getting warmer and saw the load on the rod was more before the drag would slip as the reduced diameter on the spool with 1500 feet out, and the heat increase, was creating more drag than the cold set 22# I had on it. We cut the leader at boat side after 2 hours and 15 minutes. I immediately scale tested the drag while it was still warm and backed off and it had 24# on it - pretty close to where I started so it told me that my gauging the amount of drag by the load on the rod was pretty accurate.

My impression of the reel was
1- Very fast on high speed - no problem retrieving 15# at full speed from 1700 feet down. Plenty of power for the 80# test (I use 100 on the LPs for swords and 150 for gulf DD and trolling wahoo).

2- More than enough power to handle any swordfish that I have ever caught as Threshers are tougher than swords as they literally need to be dragged up where a sword will help you by swimming more.

3- Holds more than enough line "if" you don't put all but the last 500 feet out in strong current.
4- If you drop and hit the bottom you have no problem but I see a possible issue if you try to stop the reel with a heavy weight in free fall. The LP is easy as you just gradually increase the drag to slow the fall down to a slow stop. With the Banax I'm not sure if it could handle having the clutch engaged with 15 pounds of weight in free fall. If I were fishing it as my "tip" rod, and stopping it before the weight hit bottom, I think I would wear gloves so I could slow the spool and bring it to a stop before engaging the clutch lever. That was the only draw back I could foresee as being problematic for guys that just didn't understand how instantaneously trying to stop a heavy free falling weight with the clutch "could" damage the reel or even cause the line to break due to the instantaneous shock load. There is no way with any star drag reel to get away from that situation. A lever drag is the only solution and might be something to think about.

5- Since I have neither the Shimano or Daiwa to compare it to, and a comparison to an LP is totally unfair, I would say that anyone could swordfish with it as long as they understand that the reel is probably being taken to it's physical limits (line capacity and spool access with your hands to stop the weight in free fall) and probably would need to be used "gently" if swordfish were the target. I have had Threshers ruin an LP drag but that reel has all metal drag components which turn blue and warp when the heat really builds up. LP has redesigned the drags using different alloys for the plates and they are better now but every reel, no matter how good, has it's limitations.


Very impressive piece of equipment that I only have one question about. What material is the piece that the foot of the reel is secured to? Is it metal or some composite material. I have seen (on a two speed TLD 30) the reel completely separate from the foot, clean all the guides off the rod and disappear into the water with a big YFT dragging it (San Diego long range trip). Too much fish for a composite material reel.


I am going to catch you a big Sword on it and send you a picture of me sitting on the fish and holding the rod and reel. I have faith that it is totally capable of getting the job done and for me line capacity is not an issue as any sword that starts running away from you can easily be stopped by just backing the drag off and causing the pull on the fish to be down from the weight rather than toward the boat because of the line. Once the pull on the fish changes to the weight they immediately pull against the weight and take the quick route to the surface. The speed of retrieve of your reel would be a big advantage under those circumstances as when they come up quickly even the big spool on the LP cannot keep up with them and running the boat away from the fish is all you can do to stretch out the slack.


From your tests that show it can handle long fast runs without suffering a meltdown I'd say it's only limitation would be a big Tuna that runs faster and farther than any swordfish.
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