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Old 03-23-2019, 03:14 PM
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I would like this discussion to stay on topic and NOT WANDER away from the original intent. Lets all be big Girls & Boys and see if we can honor my request.

I would also like it if this thread were to seen by as many cops and law enforcement officers as possible so as to make each one of them think twice. While I am NOT a cop, never been one, but I do possess street smarts born from life experiences, mostly very, very bad life experiences. I also happen to have many friends, Brothers & Sisters in law Enforcement in many capacities so I've been taught a thing or two about general overall "Awareness" and how to interact with the general public.

For the life of me I cannot understand the overall carelessness that many cops, deputies and others go about their daily routine each and every day. I'll give you some examples that are taught in two academies that I know of in Washington DC.

1. NEVER EVER sit at a booth while dining....ALWAYS sit at a table where you can react very quickly and reach your weapon. I see this MAJOR one being broken almost every day!

2. Personal Space...NEVER EVER let anyone just walk right up to you...ever, especially If you dont know them. Very easy to do, hand goes up, you turn towards them with weapon away and politely say, what can I do for you, all while your hand is up. but again, I see this being broken every day!

3. Sitting in squad car.....NEVER EVER should two officers be sitting in their squad car at the same time...EVER! Always have one outside the vehicle alert, NOT on their cell phones!

I could literally go on and on about the complete lack of training, and/or carelessness I have seen for several decades now from many LEO's. I would think that in this day and age of cops being hated by most of the media, and a certain % of the population the academies would be teaching many of the skills taught in the federal bureaus but I do not think they are.

Just today, I witnessed this scene, and it SCREAMED something's not right. But the cops never even blinked. I took a young teenager to the fair that's going on by a mall parking lot by me. Standing in line waiting to buy some tickets, I notice this adult male, wearing a long heavy trench coat that goes all the way to the ground walking towards two female officers. I go on alert immediately.....why. Its HOT outside, why the long coat. These officers let this guy who had them by 75Lb of muscle walk right up to them, I'm talking within 2ft. A conversation pursues and off this guy goes. Not once did either of them even look up from their phones before this guy was on top of them....literally!!!!

I just don't get it.

Yes....I did go over and say something to them regarding my thoughts and they were not at all interested in what I had to say!

Very sad!!!!!
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:29 PM
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While we do get sloppy at times it is harder to live your life in code yellow ALWAYS than you think..As cops doing item 1,2 or 3 (never happens and is not taught), ALWAYS is tough. I will admit when I worked in a violent city on the street I had a much higher on guard work ethic but now working a more rural, much less violent area I am much less stiff or on guard or rigid when dealing with the public. Many times now, many people want to thank me, shake my hand or buy my lunch, that NEVER happened in the violent city.

Also, if you reacted the way you suggested with people walking up to you, most departments won't tolerate it. There is a way to blade yourself, watch hands and be alert without going into an aggressive defensive action..

Now on a call or traffic stop, I am all business and safe but I may show a relaxed state out in public but trust me, I am prepared to kill anyone that forces me too..

Also we live our lives in a fish bowl. Unfortunately we are vulnerable almost 98 percent of the time as we are reactive by nature. If someone wants to engage us, we are always very vulnerable, just walking up to pay our bill in the restaurant, someone could easily hurt us..

Also I have ridden two officers to a vehicle about 3 to 5 percent of my time in 30 plus years as a LEO and never has anyone been on guard outside the car. I do exit the vehicle when so.eone walks up but never have I ever seen ANYONE stand guard..
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Spray what do you do for a living? I'm sure whatever it is your not risking your life but I bet your a pro at it.
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I knew this cop who had this awesome motorcycle. This bike was, oh wait, never mind.
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Spray have you ever watched a war documentary, Are soldiers always on point or are they sleeping, eating, drinking, playing cards, writing a letter, reading, taking a crap. I think you get it. You can not be at a the hightened level of awareness you are suggesting for to long of a period or you will have a heart disease in no time.
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I'd bet my life savings that if spray was a cop he'd probably have 500 kills by now.
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I know where I live cops do not make squat and many times have to work another job to make ends meet. That may be part of the answer to your observation, is that PD's may have difficulty recruiting the type of people that meet your expectation.
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The basic answer to your question is that it’s exhausting and unnecessary to treat everyone you see as a threat. Call it complacency or bad technique if you wish, but it’s more mental preservation than anything.

As as far as personal space, that’s mostly a pipe dream. They can preach reactionary gaps at the academy until they’re blue in the face, but the first day on the road, you’re hunched over someone explaining a form. You can’t do your job 99% of the time from 21, even 10 feet away.

if I reacted to someone approaching me the way you suggest, I’d be In the supervisors office explaining why I took and agressive stance toward someone who only wanted to know where the nearest ice cream shop was.

Everything you said is perfect in theory. It just doesn’t work in the real world.
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I attended an academy that was for the lead law enforcement agency in Washington DC and 1,2, and 3 were not taught as you describe. Number 1, we were taught to sit with your back was to a wall and you could see as much of the establishment as possible. Number 2 is at least close. You do need to be aware and be prepared to create distance between yourself and whoever is approaching you. It is harder than you think. Quite often a person approaches to ask directions etc. Number 3, I’ve never heard of being taught anywhere and isn’t reasonably practical. I rode with a partner frequently. Additionally, Cracker is spot on, again.
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Can't go through life scared of everything.

Once in a while you need to sit in a booth at restaurant, sit in a car with someone else, and have a nice conversation with a guy who's bigger than you - even if he has a long coat. Everything isn't a threat.

Unfortunately, over the last few decades, we're slowly moving down a path where the police are treating more and more normal interactions as threats and it's not good for us normal people. I prefer my police to be on the less crazy side of paranoid.
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I'd bet my life savings that if spray was a cop he'd probably have 500 kills by now.
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Originally Posted by spraynet 1 View Post
I would like this discussion to stay on topic and NOT WANDER away from the original intent. Lets all be big Girls & Boys and see if we can honor my request.

I would also like it if this thread were to seen by as many cops and law enforcement officers as possible so as to make each one of them think twice. While I am NOT a cop, never been one, but I do possess street smarts born from life experiences, mostly very, very bad life experiences.
Sounds like you need to apply to the academy. Once you've had a few years working patrol on nights, we can resume this conversation.

I'm retired. Unless you've done the job, you have no idea.
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Hey Spraynet I think a lot has to do with the local environment the particular LEOs work in. You mentioned DC, I would imagine that a LEO in DC is much more careful and alert than the other example you mentioned that is here in Seminole County.

We we frequent a local pizza place and the local cops come in eat just like we do. But it’s a small town with very little crime. If this same restaurant was in the hood, I’m sure things would be different.

I also expect that that it’s hard to live daily on constant alert. We’re all humans, not robots.
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They know the dangers. Many cops live in areas where nothing bad happens. My main complaint is their poor and overly cocky attitude. Back 23 years when I was a little kid I would ride my bike around and the cops would patrol the neighborhood and keep in touch with the kids and be friendly. Now they roll around in black tinted windows where you can't even see who's inside. Pretty sad honestly. A couple years back I stopped and motioned to a cop that he was barley visible standing in the middle of the road in his black uniform 11pm at night telling me to turn left due to a wreck in the intersection. He didn't care what I had to say. He told me well that's why I have this flash light and we have all these flashing lights on. The flashing lights were the reason I couldn't see him, but he didn't care to listen. Someone else must have come along after me and nearly creamed him cause he was standing out of the way up against his patrol car on my way back instead of in the middle of the lane. Or maybe he did listen to me, but i was just trying to look out for the guy and keep him safe. Next time I'll keep my mouth shut.

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This has the vibe of the “I’m not a pilot nor an expert in aviation but this is why a plane sucks” thread.
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Originally Posted by jtav2002 View Post
This has the vibe of the “I’m not a pilot nor an expert in aviation but this is why a plane sucks” thread.

You don't have to be a cop to see stupidity. I don't ride a motorcycle, don't really care too either yet I see dumb things done on a motorcycle everyday.
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Agreed, I for one don't even understand why cops are given holsters, in reality they should have their weapon drawn at all times.

All kidding aside, one thing I don't understand is the directions given when talking someone that is perceived to be dangerous out of a car. To me the directions are usually wordy and screamed loudly. Also sometimes they are confusing. I can understand the need to have control of a situation, I just wonder if lowering the screaming a bit and making the directions a little easier wouldn't result in an overall calmer situtation .
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This looks like a troll post to solicit reply's and figure out who on THT are actually LEO.

How's that for "situational awareness"?
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