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Old 03-20-2019, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Eastport205 View Post
The problem is Mike, they're not after us. They're trying to con our parents (my mother's 87) .

I look at it this way, there HAS to be a way to stop this. And if strict laws stop or curtail this ...GOOD. And if this curtails businesses , so be it. Maybe these businesses need to get involved in the elimination of this .

If the technology exists to DO this then the technology probably exists to stop it .
Before my parents passed away my brother (lived in same area) was on their bank accounts and had to approve any transactions. It stopped a lot of these. I would have done it but we were 400+ miles away and he was 5 and could run by the local bank if there was a question he couldn't answer over the phone.
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by zigzag View Post
so?
So....what if a LEO is calling to tell you your wife has been in a serious auto accident and is being air lifted to the nearest trauma unit?
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Old 03-20-2019, 09:52 AM
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Not too long ago I had the satisfaction of calling a telemarketer every word in the book......

Later that same day.... My phone number was used as the spoof number. I then received so many calls that I almost had to change my phone number, which I have had for more than 25 years. My phone literally rang off the hook for hours and days, from people that thought I had called them.

That telemarketer completely screwed me over.

I wish there was a solution to this ever growing problem!

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Old 03-20-2019, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JG400 View Post
I have to believe that the phone company is involved in enabling these calls. Their systems have to know the actual calling number and they can read that the spoofed number doesn't match the calling number. Nothing could convince me that this isn't true. They obviously get revenue from putting calls through, I think a few years in jail for a few CEO's would stop this in it's tracks.

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I have said before that sooner than later the major phone companies will be sued for enabling and or aiding illegal telemarketers and scammers for just the reason you said

I can think of only a couple of reasons that anyone needs to spoof a number, but those that have a legitimate need to spoof a number should have to register with the telco they are on and give them a list of the numbers they are using and the number those numbers are being spoofed to.....anyone else attempting to spoof a number should have that call not go through and dropped at the telco

as you said there is no way they do not know those spoofed number calls are going through, but they just let them and pretend that it is out of their control when it is their network that is set up to allow it to happen

the other issue is there have been some cases of legitimate AT&T or Verizon numbers being spoofed for calls to "fix a computer" or other similar things......but for "some reason" those numbers being spoofed are extremely rare and usually when it happens there is something on the news and or you see lots of post about it on random web forums from "random people" and suddenly those numbers being spoofed goes away quickly

because of course the telco kills that ASAP and then since they cannot admit that they allow it to happen they play stupid yet I would be certain get plenty of people to post things on web forums saying that they got the rare spoofed AT&T or Verizon number, but here is what you can do if you are suspicious and remember an AT&T or Verizon rep will never CALL YOU and ask for credit cards or log in information

one of these days some bit time lawyer is going to have their mom get cleaned out by one of those calls that slips through and again those companies will be in for a world of hurt
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tommysmicroskiff View Post
Problem is "Restricted" can be an LEO :-(
Then they should call back from another number. It's my phone. I pay the bill. If they want to talk to me on MY phone unblock the damn number.
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:53 PM
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I use an app called Hiya. It blocks spammers. It used to identify them when they rang, but now they can't even ring on the newer versions. I'm using the free version. The Mrs just loaded the paid version but we haven't compared notes yet. I still do get a couple but it's down to maybe 4-5 over 3 days where before it was a few an hour all the time!

Phone companies don't make money per call anymore which is why the real AT&T went out of business! You would think they would have incentive to block this as it can make your phone useless for incoming calls if you never answer it due to these f*ckers! It really is out of control!
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Insider View Post
I have said before that sooner than later the major phone companies will be sued for enabling and or aiding illegal telemarketers and scammers for just the reason you said

I can think of only a couple of reasons that anyone needs to spoof a number, but those that have a legitimate need to spoof a number should have to register with the telco they are on and give them a list of the numbers they are using and the number those numbers are being spoofed to.....anyone else attempting to spoof a number should have that call not go through and dropped at the telco

as you said there is no way they do not know those spoofed number calls are going through, but they just let them and pretend that it is out of their control when it is their network that is set up to allow it to happen

the other issue is there have been some cases of legitimate AT&T or Verizon numbers being spoofed for calls to "fix a computer" or other similar things......but for "some reason" those numbers being spoofed are extremely rare and usually when it happens there is something on the news and or you see lots of post about it on random web forums from "random people" and suddenly those numbers being spoofed goes away quickly

because of course the telco kills that ASAP and then since they cannot admit that they allow it to happen they play stupid yet I would be certain get plenty of people to post things on web forums saying that they got the rare spoofed AT&T or Verizon number, but here is what you can do if you are suspicious and remember an AT&T or Verizon rep will never CALL YOU and ask for credit cards or log in information

one of these days some bit time lawyer is going to have their mom get cleaned out by one of those calls that slips through and again those companies will be in for a world of hurt
How is a telco supposed to know a call is legit?

You take your cellphone and go someplace far from home, and use wifi calling to come in over some 3rd party IP network. When handed off to a telco, how do they know how it got into the network? Who is rejecting that call or determining if that's you or not? On what basis? This was easy when everyone had a landline hard wired into a local switch. Now it's not.

There's talk of a solution using some kind of key that's assigned to each number, which the spammers using random numbers would in theory not have. But it's only useful if every carrier everywhere implements it, rejects the spoofed calls, and keeps the keys secret. Given that the scammers tend to operate in sketchy jurisdictions where anything and anyone can be bought, it's unlikely it will work in the long run.

A telco can't do anything about this unilaterally. They need a pervasive solution by which all are bound, and they need legal protection for doing what can be perceived as interference with a vital function.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ronp364 View Post
How is a telco supposed to know a call is legit?

You take your cellphone and go someplace far from home, and use wifi calling to come in over some 3rd party IP network. When handed off to a telco, how do they know how it got into the network? Who is rejecting that call or determining if that's you or not? On what basis? This was easy when everyone had a landline hard wired into a local switch. Now it's not.

There's talk of a solution using some kind of key that's assigned to each number, which the spammers using random numbers would in theory not have. But it's only useful if every carrier everywhere implements it, rejects the spoofed calls, and keeps the keys secret. Given that the scammers tend to operate in sketchy jurisdictions where anything and anyone can be bought, it's unlikely it will work in the long run.

A telco can't do anything about this unilaterally. They need a pervasive solution by which all are bound, and they need legal protection for doing what can be perceived as interference with a vital function.
I am pretty sure when you make a call from your phone using wifi instead of the cell tower the identifier of your phone number is still there
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Insider View Post
I am pretty sure when you make a call from your phone using wifi instead of the cell tower the identifier of your phone number is still there
What do you mean identifier? You mean IMEI?

If there was a way telco knew it wasn't you and instead someone who spoofed in your number, they would not allow it.

It's not in their interest to have this going on. They are not making money on this stuff, it is clogging networks with garbage.
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Old 03-21-2019, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck34 View Post


So....what if a LEO is calling to tell you your wife has been in a serious auto accident and is being air lifted to the nearest trauma unit?
she's just having a bad day and it got worse.
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Old 03-21-2019, 05:49 PM
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This whole thing is really out of control and annoying. What is sort of ironic, is that by setting up these robocallers and calling every number ever made, they are biting off the hand that feeds them. Pretty much nobody answers their phone anymore! Phone solicitation sales have got to be at an all time low. I know it takes no manpower or money for them to do this once it is set up, but if they get no sales maybe this will stop. We can only hope. I stopped blocking the spoofed local numbers, but probably still have half my county blocked by now!
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Old 03-21-2019, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by billfishr View Post
Do you think members of congress have to put up with this?
NO. These are their campaign helpers.

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Old 03-21-2019, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
Nope. The lobbyists paying congress not to implement anti-robo calling laws have a special deal whereby the company paying the lobbyist has a special "do not dial" system set up for the members of congress.
These services don’t have to hire lobbyists, they work for the politicians for free.
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Old 03-21-2019, 07:55 PM
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One of my so-called senators, Marco Rubio, responded to my email demanding some legislation that would force the phone companies to track and deny these calls. His response was "We can't do that because the government uses robocalls to try to collect college loans debts." What a joke, he must think we are all stupid.
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Old 03-22-2019, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by GaryDoug View Post
One of my so-called senators, Marco Rubio, responded to my email demanding some legislation that would force the phone companies to track and deny these calls. His response was "We can't do that because the government uses robocalls to try to collect college loans debts." What a joke, he must think we are all stupid.
Political campaigns are also excepted from complying with the regulations restricting automated calling or use of the do-not-call lists. Ask you local legislators about THAT.

No one should be allowed to spoof calls. They actually COULD prosecute that under the for "hacking" a computer system, as that is essentially what you are doing to allow the call to pass through the public phone system. You should be able to block your caller ID number, if you need to do so for LEO purposes or don't desire your number to be distributed, but using someone else's number should NOT be allowed.

There are several companies (SalesForce is one) that do own several phone number in each area code. They sell a service which allows companies to use these numbers on their outgoing sales calls so the call looks local to folks they're calling, as they're more apt to pick up. This isn't really a spoofed call, but functions the same way. The difference is they are using their own numbers instead of some random number. It would be no different than the insurance rep from NY calling but using their local insurance offices's local phone number.
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