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Old 12-16-2019, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Kendall View Post
Wait a minute. Aren't you someone who essentially said there is not an issue with this plane and that the issue was poorly trained foreign pilots who are at fault not Boeing and that they would be back flying soon. Now it's the FAA who is at fault for dragging its feet.

Seriously, how much Boeing stock do you own? Perhaps you can cover your losses by shorting the stock.
I never said there weren't issues with the plane, and those could/should be addressed. The issues with the two crashes were definitely primarily surrounding poorly trained foreign pilots and maintenance procedures. Upon investigating those, other things were discovered that could be made better, no question. I will stand by my earlier statement 100%:

"The only reason those planes aren't flying now is because of FUD and political pressure. No technical or safety reason at all."
Old 12-16-2019, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
I will stand by my earlier statement 100%:

"The only reason those planes aren't flying now is because of FUD and political pressure. No technical or safety reason at all."

The FAA calculated that Boeing's 737 Max could crash a total of 15 times, killing more than 3,000 people, if it wasn't grounded and fixed

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But, but, but....
Old 12-16-2019, 03:35 PM
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The s*** has hit the fan.
All these Boeing defenders are so clearly either stubborn engineers, or Boeing employees.
Just admit that it's a f---ing mess please.
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Who is buying these air frames so Boeing will be flush with cash if they can't fly. Good thing they didn't slow production.
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Originally Posted by Barnacled View Post
Who is buying these air frames so Boeing will be flush with cash if they can't fly. Good thing they didn't slow production.
If things don’t get rosy soon, you and I will, probably, be on the hook for them. You know, for the good of the economy. I still think, even if not the best idea in the long run, the planes will be certified with inadequate “fixes.”

time will tell, though.
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Originally Posted by schoolsout1 View Post
If things don’t get rosy soon, you and I will, probably, be on the hook for them. You know, for the good of the economy. I still think, even if not the best idea in the long run, the planes will be certified with inadequate “fixes.”

time will tell, though.
you might be right
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On the conference call, they declared they were halting production until the world can produce more competent pilots



Old 12-17-2019, 06:21 AM
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I see how the FAA came up with their projected numbers, but I would not expect that trend to remain linear.
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
"The only reason those planes aren't flying now is because of FUD and political pressure. No technical or safety reason at all."
Not really sport.
They aren't flying because the design sucks for obvious reasons and guys like me refuse to ride in them. I've had several conversations with retired Pratt Engineers who live in my area. These guys worked on stuff from the Apollo program to the SR-71.
When I explained what Boeing did, the reaction was all "WTF?"

You want to ride in one today? I'll stay on the ground as it exists today.
Old 12-17-2019, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
I'll take the word of my friends who ARE pilots, that this is not a plane or design issue. It is a lack of experience/training issue.
Was just about to say I hope DIME chimes in...now would be a good time!
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I am not an engineer nor a pilot. I likely have Boeing stock in an IRA or some mutual fund. With that said,. I don't fly much. Though since my so started UCF, and I live in the Smoky Mountains, I have been flying some more and I have flown him home twice this semester. My wife is already borderline terrified of flying and I can say the more the 737 max gets bogged down , the less likely I would want to fly on it.

I don't want the plane certified expeditiously. I want it certcertified by the FAA knowing it's fixed. So for me as a customer of an airline , they need to demonstrate this thing is really fixed. They need to figure out how to truly get the flying public bought in on the plane once it's certified.
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Smoky,
I'm confident that if the FAA says it's ok along with the foreign agencies, it will be a safe ride.

Keep in mind, as it stands today, the jet has few if any friends and it will stand on it's own merits. (what a concept)
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40 Planes a month

Holy................................. you know what
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I’m confident that the technical issues will be worked out. What Boeing has is a major marketing job ahead of them to convince the more casual flyers to sit in them once they are back in the air.
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God forbid, when that plane finally gets clearance it doesn't have another incident. If that were to happen I think they would become an infamous part of our aviation history.
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God forbid, when that plane finally gets clearance it doesn't have another incident. If that were to happen I think they would become an infamous part of our aviation history.
Agreed. I think that goes for any incident regardless of it’s even remotely connected to this issue. A blown tire will be headline news.
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Originally Posted by Mach80Mako View Post
Not really sport.
They aren't flying because the design sucks for obvious reasons and guys like me refuse to ride in them. I've had several conversations with retired Pratt Engineers who live in my area. These guys worked on stuff from the Apollo program to the SR-71.
When I explained what Boeing did, the reaction was all "WTF?"

You want to ride in one today? I'll stay on the ground as it exists today.
You likely don't understand "what Boeing did", so I doubt those guys could have responded with a correct answer with the knowledge they had. I'm sure if they researched it on their own they would realize that while there are issues that can be corrected with the planes, they are NOT inherently "unsafe" nor "unstable" and the issues can be addressed, just as they have had to address issues with the SR-71 and various Apollo craft. Also they would already know that the Apollo or the SR-71 would have both had horrible safety records if they allowed 200 hr pilots to fly them, or third world countries to maintain them.

I sure would ride in one today, just like the tens of thousands of Americans successfully did before they were grounded.
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I wrote about this in another thread, but Boeing really made a large strategic mistake going all in on the 737 and not getting something out to replace the 757. Boeing had major oppurtunity because airbus screwed up with the a380......but now advantage is back to airbus with a massive order of planes just made and boeing is stuck with its d*ck in its hand......

The Boeing NMA may be doomed

Even as they announced the A321XLR order, United executives continued to express interest in the NMA concept. After all, the airline still has more than 50 aging Boeing 767s waiting to be replaced, and none of the options Boeing and Airbus are producing today are perfect replacements.

Delta Air Lines has also been a vocal supporter of Boeing's NMA concept. CEO Ed Bastian has noted that Delta still has more than 200 757s and 767s that will need to be replaced in the coming years.

However, the American Airlines and United Airlines orders for A321XLRs have further hurt the commercial viability of the NMA concept, given the small size of the addressable market. Furthermore, Delta's 757s and 767s are more than 22 years old, on average. Many will need to be replaced before the NMA would likely become available. Given that Delta already operates hundreds of A320-family planes, it wouldn't be surprising to see the airline pick the A321neo and its longer-range variants to replace its 100-plus 757s, leaving a much smaller opportunity remaining for Boeing.

Of course, there are plenty of airlines in other regions that may have use for a medium-range, medium-size jet. But it seems increasingly uncertain that there's enough of a market to support the massive cost of developing an all-new airplane. With cheaper options on the table that would require fewer development resources -- like building a re-engined 767-X -- United's decision to buy the A321XLR could be the beginning of the end for Boeing's NMA aircraft concept.
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The newest "NG" -800 and -900 generations of the 737 killed the 757. Boeing dropped the ball a decade ago by abandoning Y1 of their Yellowstone Project. The 737 replacement would have been flying next year...





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