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Old 03-15-2019, 05:34 PM
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I saw it too. Nothing good could come from people seeing it. I imagine a lot more people are going to start live streaming these type events.
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Old 03-16-2019, 03:52 AM
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From a sociological aspect, I'm interested in the consensus that the video should - in fact - be removed. Here's my question. There is seldom a day that goes by that we aren't reminded of Hitler, and the people that he killed. We are shown images of the bodies, the gas chambers, the horrific things he did with human skin, experiments, bulldozers pushing bodies into holes... it goes on and on and on.
We build museums, movies, books... Heck, we even have groups of people that still idolize Mr. Hitler and have camps, etc. to emulate him.

Is is that one was perpetrated by a government, while one by a small group? Is it the victim? The scale? Why the disparity.

I'm likely in the minority, but I think it should be shown. I think people need to know the crazy that lurks. People need to be more aware. Does it suck to have to live this way, of course - but it is the reality. Scrambling to remove something that is part of reality, is, IMHO, not a great idea. And, for the record, we should also show these kinds of people (along with pedophiles, etc.) getting executed in public. So - that likely puts me, again, in the minority.

Just a thought - I can handle the heat from the flaming.
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Old 03-16-2019, 04:19 AM
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I understand not forgetting what has happened and I don't think we should but I can't equate this nut job to Hitler. We should remember active shooters/ mass casualty events but we can do it without a video like this (I have not seen it, however I'm sure I will for training in the near future) or by naming the asshat. Thursday I was in a active shooter incident management class. You can learn from a board game (we did) and while it was just a game when you send in your contact team and they lose (bad guy had loaded dice) it still effects you (at least me) when your buddy flips his chip over to see what his injury is and you see he is dead plus the 14 other survivors you can't flip over until the threat is neutralized. You don't need to see people get slaughtered to feel it. We will learn from his video but just like others have said so will wannabe followers. As society we can remember this period in our history without all the gore. If concentration camp soldiers had a gopro camera during WW2 I think we'd treat it the same way as this, the twin towers, etc.

In closing if you need to see this video to make you aware you will forget about it just as quickly and go back to your old habits. The sheepdog mentality (it applies across the board not just public safety because plenty of sheep wear polyester and plenty of sheepdogs are retired veterans, cooks, mechanics, homeless etc) will learn without the gore and the sheep won't learn no matter what they are shown.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by localangler2 View Post
I understand not forgetting what has happened and I don't think we should but I can't equate this nut job to Hitler. We should remember active shooters/ mass casualty events but we can do it without a video like this (I have not seen it, however I'm sure I will for training in the near future) or by naming the asshat. Thursday I was in a active shooter incident management class. You can learn from a board game (we did) and while it was just a game when you send in your contact team and they lose (bad guy had loaded dice) it still effects you (at least me) when your buddy flips his chip over to see what his injury is and you see he is dead plus the 14 other survivors you can't flip over until the threat is neutralized. You don't need to see people get slaughtered to feel it. We will learn from his video but just like others have said so will wannabe followers. As society we can remember this period in our history without all the gore. If concentration camp soldiers had a gopro camera during WW2 I think we'd treat it the same way as this, the twin towers, etc.

In closing if you need to see this video to make you aware you will forget about it just as quickly and go back to your old habits. The sheepdog mentality (it applies across the board not just public safety because plenty of sheep wear polyester and plenty of sheepdogs are retired veterans, cooks, mechanics, homeless etc) will learn without the gore and the sheep won't learn no matter what they are shown.
Interesting you mention the 9/11.
Same question there too... why is that video played all the time?

It just seems that we need to be constantly reminded when the direction of the "bad" goes a certain way, but not in the other. Which to me, seems horrible.
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Old 03-16-2019, 07:20 AM
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This terrorist attack by a supposed “white nationalist” gets extreme world coverage, but daily terrorist attracts by Muslims get no coverage. Wonder why?

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/a...aspx?Yr=Last30
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Old 03-16-2019, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by HookMeUpII View Post
Well, I unfortunately saw the video. No I am not linking anyone to it.

It opens up with the guy driving to the mosque. He gets to the doorway and blasts the people standing in it from about 5 yards away with a 12 ga auto shotgun (looked like a Benelli tactical). From there it's him semi-systematically going through the halls blasting people with an AR15. This includes finishing people off on the ground at point blank range.

Many reasons why the video is being removed:

1) FB, Twitter, and Liveleak don't want that sort of publicity nor to be a venue in which this sort of thing is displayed.
2) Gives notoriety and intel for any future scumbags looking to do the same.
3) None of the family of the deceased wants their loved ones last desperate moments out on the internet for those to see.

That's just a few.

Why would I watch such a video? Well, I think it's important in the world we live in today. Simply reading about these things on the news doesn't really "bring it home." You need to watch it, be aware, and learn from it. It sucked. It was horrible to see. However, you need to understand what's going on here and how to react in these situations god forbid it ever comes to your life. Let the emotions you experience from the video come forth and realize them. Deal with them now because God forbid you ever are in that situation of those poor people, be ready to react.

Once again, it's pretty bad. We need to learn from it though and be aware that unfortunately, evil people like the gunman do exist and we need to heighten our situational awareness.
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I saw it too. Nothing good could come from people seeing it. I imagine a lot more people are going to start live streaming these type events.
I wouldn't want to see it. However, the cover up keeps people: who don't want to believe in evil and that man is basically good, it keeps them deceived and their heads in the sand. You can't look at that shit and feel hopeful that science has an explanation and forthcoming solutions.
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Old 03-16-2019, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
From a sociological aspect, I'm interested in the consensus that the video should - in fact - be removed. Here's my question. There is seldom a day that goes by that we aren't reminded of Hitler, and the people that he killed. We are shown images of the bodies, the gas chambers, the horrific things he did with human skin, experiments, bulldozers pushing bodies into holes... it goes on and on and on.
We build museums, movies, books... Heck, we even have groups of people that still idolize Mr. Hitler and have camps, etc. to emulate him.

Is is that one was perpetrated by a government, while one by a small group? Is it the victim? The scale? Why the disparity.

I'm likely in the minority, but I think it should be shown. I think people need to know the crazy that lurks. People need to be more aware. Does it suck to have to live this way, of course - but it is the reality. Scrambling to remove something that is part of reality, is, IMHO, not a great idea. And, for the record, we should also show these kinds of people (along with pedophiles, etc.) getting executed in public. So - that likely puts me, again, in the minority.

Just a thought - I can handle the heat from the flaming.
I'm still leaning towards...the publicity encourages copy cats. The "Hitler" analogy....Hitler didn't do much of the trigger pulling himself, his "fame" was from his ..leadership, ordering things to be done. But back when we were impressionable teenagers or in our early years..we didn't have social media putting things in our face all the time. While school shootings and other tragedies did occur when we grew up, we really didn't know about it. Our parents watched the news, we usually didn't...we were outside playing or something like that.
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Pulling the video(s) was the right thing - my opinion.

I think wanting to watch that video shows the highlights the depth of sickness in ourselves. There's evil in us that wants to see it.

Years ago, I regrettably watched a video of the Taliban beheading someone. It made me sick to my stomach, and also made me so angry (or disturbed) I didn't sleep that night. I wrestled with a newfound anger (more like hatred) for weeks and finally realized it did me absolutely nothing but harm me mentally.

I feel, when these types of questions are brought up, we need to ask ourselves the "why?" of what's driving our need/want to see/experience evil things. Not just the surface stuff, but the deeper, root of it.

I truly believe the devil is alive and well in this world (and has been for a long time). Unfortunately, social media is a great tool for him to spread his message.
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Old 03-16-2019, 08:00 AM
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In a world where false flags can result in the loss of freedom or even start wars, I’m always wary when video evidence of serious incidents are scrubbed from the internet. It reeks of coverup.

I’m always watching the narratives - what is the media trying to frame this as- vs what happened. If this is just a “random” mass shooting, why scrub the evidence?
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Old 03-16-2019, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by creditcardguy View Post
This terrorist attack by a supposed “white nationalist” gets extreme world coverage, but daily terrorist attracts by Muslims get no coverage. Wonder why?

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/a...aspx?Yr=Last30
That is the most ignorant comment I’ve ever read. Almost every terror attack in the middle easy is in fact covered on middle eastern news networks. In 2018 there’s been a ton of mass shootings in America, why isn’t it brodcasted nationwide every single day? The news would be flooded with just killings from US, how do you expect to cover the Middle East as well.
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Originally Posted by jeremyj View Post
Pulling the video(s) was the right thing - my opinion.

I think wanting to watch that video shows the highlights the depth of sickness in ourselves. There's evil in us that wants to see it.

Years ago, I regrettably watched a video of the Taliban beheading someone. It made me sick to my stomach, and also made me so angry (or disturbed) I didn't sleep that night. I wrestled with a newfound anger (more like hatred) for weeks and finally realized it did me absolutely nothing but harm me mentally.

I feel, when these types of questions are brought up, we need to ask ourselves the "why?" of what's driving our need/want to see/experience evil things. Not just the surface stuff, but the deeper, root of it.

I truly believe the devil is alive and well in this world (and has been for a long time). Unfortunately, social media is a great tool for him to spread his message.
If you can’t stomach these types of videos - don’t watch it. I saw some pretty gruesome deaths in my time as FF so it doesn’t phase me.
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That is the most ignorant comment I’ve ever read. Almost every terror attack in the middle easy is in fact covered on middle eastern news networks. In 2018 there’s been a ton of mass shootings in America, why isn’t it brodcasted nationwide every single day? The news would be flooded with just killings from US, how do you expect to cover the Middle East as well.
Looks to me like there were 3 terrorist attacks and 1 thwarted terrorist attack in the US in 2018. Terrorist attacks and related incidents in the United States

Meanwhile, there are terrorist attacks every day around the world (see link in post above), the vast majority being Muslims, apparently not worth mentioning in the USA. 24 hour news cycle you’d figure they could squeeze in a word about it. Sorry if this hurts your feelings.
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Looks to me like there were 3 terrorist attacks and 1 thwarted terrorist attack in the US in 2018. Terrorist attacks and related incidents in the United States

Meanwhile, there are terrorist attacks every day around the world (see link in post above), the vast majority being Muslims, apparently not worth mentioning in the USA. 24 hour news cycle you’d figure they could squeeze in a word about it. Sorry if this hurts your feelings.
If you knew anything, the majority of Muslim terrorist attacks are happening on their own land to their own people. I’m not sure what attacks you want covered, you want the news to cover a Muslim killing 3 other Muslims in their own country? If it was anything serious it’s covered, but you don’t see US news cover every single school shooting and mass shootings occurring in our own county. You label Muslims as the worlds biggest terrorists, it all starts from somewhere.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
From a sociological aspect, I'm interested in the consensus that the video should - in fact - be removed. Here's my question. There is seldom a day that goes by that we aren't reminded of Hitler, and the people that he killed. We are shown images of the bodies, the gas chambers, the horrific things he did with human skin, experiments, bulldozers pushing bodies into holes... it goes on and on and on.
We build museums, movies, books... Heck, we even have groups of people that still idolize Mr. Hitler and have camps, etc. to emulate him.

Is is that one was perpetrated by a government, while one by a small group? Is it the victim? The scale? Why the disparity.

I'm likely in the minority, but I think it should be shown. I think people need to know the crazy that lurks. People need to be more aware. Does it suck to have to live this way, of course - but it is the reality. Scrambling to remove something that is part of reality, is, IMHO, not a great idea. And, for the record, we should also show these kinds of people (along with pedophiles, etc.) getting executed in public. So - that likely puts me, again, in the minority.

Just a thought - I can handle the heat from the flaming.
I don't know what world you're living in, but I don't see holocaust images on a daily basis. And I don't see any benefit to showing the videos of this shooting.

People don't need to see the videos to understand the "crazy that lurks". The average human can understand that from the description of the act alone.

If there was a benefit to showing these then public executions would still be a thing. If you don't want to see it, you don't have to go, right?

Let's add the fact that making these videos readily available would eventually lead to monetizing them. We're supposed to be civilized. Making money off of death leads us down a very dark path.
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Originally Posted by ExclusiveDetailServices View Post

If you knew anything, the majority of Muslim terrorist attacks are happening on their own land to their own people. I’m not sure what attacks you want covered, you want the news to cover a Muslim killing 3 other Muslims in their own country? If it was anything serious it’s covered, but you don’t see US news cover every single school shooting and mass shootings occurring in our own county. You label Muslims as the worlds biggest terrorists, it all starts from somewhere.
Muslims ARE the world’s biggest terrorists, no?
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Muslims ARE the world’s biggest terrorists, no?
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Muslims ARE the world’s biggest terrorists, no?
ter·ror·ism
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  1. the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


Not trying to Bilge this, but read the definition and find your own conclusion. I can think of a few (non-Muslim) governments in this world which fit this definition.
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You are the epitome of a THT’er. Carry on with your day 👍🏼
Why, thank you!
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Originally Posted by ChrisW21 View Post
ter·ror·ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
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  1. the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


Not trying to Bilge this, but read the definition and find your own conclusion. I can think of a few (non-Muslim) governments in this world which fit this definition.
Wow, which ones?

Here’s the list of current terrorist groups, see if you fellows notice a trend... note terrorist groups designated by the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rrorist_groups
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