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Old 03-12-2019, 09:13 AM
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Default Extensive Cheating Scheme to get into Major Universities

Not good, SAT, ACT, coaches, administrators and wealthy people faking credentials to get into universities, huge bust happening today with many more arrests coming.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/college-e...-exam-cheating

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Old 03-12-2019, 09:15 AM
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In this day and age of the slacker, why would that be a surprise?
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Crazy the $$ people were willing to pay to get their kids into colleges, and the fact some coaches (like Yale W Soccer coach ) were getting paid mid six figure amounts to let just one kid in as a "recruit"

copy of the indictment is in the below link

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/u...g-scandal.html
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Here's my favorite bit:

"There can be no separate college admission system for the wealthy and there will not be a separate criminal justice system either," (U.S. Attorney) Lelling said. "We're not talking about donating a building so a school is more likely to take your son or daughter, we're talking about deception or fraud."

I guess he meant to say, "There can only be a separate college admission system for the obscenely wealthy."
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Just donate a building or something. Has to be cheaper.

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In this day and age of the slacker, why would that be a surprise?
I'm willing to bet some of those who paid to play are also supporters of candidates spouting the "free college for all" mantra....gotta love the hypocrisy of that!
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I hate what college has become. I have a daughter heading to college this year. I fear I will be paying for an inferior, over priced product at this point.
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I hate what college has become. I have a daughter heading to college this year. I fear I will be paying for an inferior, over priced product at this point.
master is the new bachelors. I work with a girl 3 years out of college with a bachelors, she’s making $22 an hour.
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master is the new bachelors. I work with a girl 3 years out of college with a bachelors, she’s making $22 an hour.
Bachelors is the new HS diploma. For 100k+.
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Bachelors is the new HS diploma. For 100k+.
$100K for a bachelors? Not at any top tier school unless you are in-state VA/TX/CA/MI/NC and can get into their flagship state U. I'm in for about $300k for each of my kids' degrees.
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Back 45 years ago when I was set to graduate from high school and go to college there weren't any SAT prep courses that I was aware of, nor did anyone I know take anything to prep for the SAT. It was considered a test of one's abilities rather than a test of who took the best prep courses. It was not automatically assumed that if you got a HS diploma that you would be going onto college. Generally only the better students went onto college.

Nowdays a much higher % of HS grads go onto college. Today there are a lot more folks graduating from college and competing for the professional type jobs than there ever used to be. Not surprisingly, a small % of college grads are able to score one of these jobs. Law of supply and demand and all that. Same thing for lawyers, a lot more Law Schools in business these days than there ever was, not all of those grads will get the starting 6 figure salary from the better firms.
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$100K for a bachelors? Not at any top tier school unless you are in-state VA/TX/CA/MI/NC and can get into their flagship state U. I'm in for about $300k for each of my kids' degrees.
this is more like it. I joke with my dad he paid $150k for my sisters education (bach and masters, she is 40 now) for her to be a stay at home mom.
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Lot's of ego in the undergraduate racket and parents get sucked right in..

Completing a degree can be accomplished at a reasonably good state school in a cost conscious manner.
It's when you open the world up to private schools with no added value for no particular reason that things are painful.
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Lot's of ego in the undergraduate racket and parents get sucked right in..

Completing a degree can be accomplished at a reasonably good state school in a cost conscious manner.
It's when you open the world up to private schools with no added value for no particular reason that things are painful.
correct, a communication degree from a top private school isn't doing anything for you.
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a lot of "major" universities are and have been deemed worthless...
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Winds of change……

Remember when the athletes had to fake being smart to get into college.

Now the dumb (non athletic) kids are pretending to be athletes.
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A relative of mine scored 35 out of 36 on ACT (perfect 36 score in English, Reading Comprehension, Science) 4.3+ GPA out of 4, Presidential Service Awards, School athletic teams, but was turned down by 4 highly selective universities (was still accepted to a top 30 school where they now attend). Their demographics are in the most competitive demographic group based on gender and ethnicity. So this story really is disappointing. But what is more disappointing to me, is students in different demographic or SOCIO-ECONOMIC groups with SIGNIFICANTLY lower scores and GPAs getting in to the same schools which rejected this relative. UNFAIR!!!
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I feel bad for the kids. Assuming it is correct they were not aware of the scheme. No one will give them any credit for being there. I guess it does not matter. Most are probably there for their communications degree for something to do and keep mommy and daddy happy. Once they graduate they will be spoiled rich kids going on vacations and out to eat and the beach and shopping, but with a paid for diploma.
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I will add...there is an amazing amount of money handed out by grad programs, law schools and medical schools.
My kid just went through the process, got money from 3 T14 law schools, full tuition rides from two top 30s.
I had no idea how heavily the schools compete to get kids that elevate their institution's ratings.

She had perfect grades at UVA McIntire school (as in 4.0), graduated in 2017 with double major in Accounting and History, passed the CPA exams first go around last year, interned and works at PWC.
Slacker millenial.
Her objective was to go to law school all along.
She put in the effort, and depending which law school she chooses (UVA I imagine since she loves it and they are paying a good chunk of the tuition), will come out the other side having saved me serious coin.
Hundreds of thousands.

The moral is that state schools can be done in a cost effective way, and grad schools hand out money.
**She was accepted at Princeton and Georgetown for undergrad, but chose UVA. God Bless her!!!!
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This only survey to further erode the reputation of "top" schools.

Yale, Harvard, etc...all filled with students disconnected from reality. I'd never hire any of them.

State schools offer the best ROI anyway.
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