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km1125 02-11-2019 03:21 PM

Buying Organic foods from the grocery
 
Who does this and thinks the premiums in cost are worth it? Anything in particular you will go out of your way to buy organic??

Any items you think are a TOTAL waste to go "organic" and it's just another way to pull a few more $$ out of the unsuspecting public??

This is NOT about 'growing your own'. I think it's great when people have the time and inclination to grow their own food, but this is about purchased groceries.

hablox 02-11-2019 03:24 PM

I really don't believe all food marked organic is truly organic..

YFMF 02-11-2019 03:25 PM

My wife is on this kick of organic milk and eggs, she tries hard to get organic other stuff when available. I wish there were a real farm market in town, I'd rather spend my money with them then Trader Joes which is grossly over priced IMO.

sharktripper 02-11-2019 03:26 PM

The only organic product I actually believe in is milk. It lasts weeks longer than “regular” milk.

bayrunner16 02-11-2019 03:29 PM

If I have to buy any sort of food from a grocery or any other store, I seek out and only purchase organic anything.

I dont know how much more it cost because I dont keep track.

I reckon food isnt something I look to save money on. Diesel fuel sure, food nope.

Is it worth it? No idea
Is it a con and am I a sucker? Maybe so, but I am pretty damn healthy. No meds, ailments, etc at 42. Never had any either. Same for my partner and kid.

williamwallus 02-11-2019 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by YFMF (Post 12234105)
My wife is on this kick of organic milk and eggs, she tries hard to get organic other stuff when available. I wish there were a real farm market in town, I'd rather spend my money with them then Trader Joes which is grossly over priced IMO.

Watch out at farmers markets lots of of them just resell store shit

lps 02-11-2019 03:31 PM

USDA Certified Organic is different than just "organic." One of my buddies grows certified organic crops on some of my land. It's very strictly monitored and regulated, and he goes to great lengths to be sure that he does things right. It's also hard to make money doing it (the farmer's yields are much lower, and the process is more labor intensive). I'm not a total stickler for buying organic, but there are a lot of things that I think are clearly better. Organic greens (lettuce, spinach, kale) seem to stay fresh longer, and are just better quality in my experience. I also think organic carrots, and most fruits, are better (they're sweeter and more flavorful). I also agree that organic milk is better (and last longer).

I'm also think organic meats are better tasting (and some of what you hear about some of the factory farm methods will make you lose your appetite).

That said, I'm certainly not against standard farming practices.

km1125 02-11-2019 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by YFMF (Post 12234105)
My wife is on this kick of organic milk and eggs, she tries hard to get organic other stuff when available. I wish there were a real farm market in town, I'd rather spend my money with them then Trader Joes which is grossly over priced IMO.

I've definitely seen a difference in eggs, but I'm not sure if it has anything to do with the "organic" part as much as it might in the "free range" part or some other way they process the eggs. The yolks seem to be a deeper yellow color.

John_Madison CT 02-11-2019 03:51 PM

I'm on the periphery of the "Organic" food business. I know, for a fact, that the label on the bottle, jar or can, doesn't mean it's really "organic". It's a marketing claim that makes people feel good about what they're buying.

Capt Grady 23 Gulfstream 02-11-2019 03:54 PM

Congrats smart buying guys. I am 76** years young, no scripts, doctor just told me after hospital tests "you have the heart of a 21 year old".

Perfect blood pressure all my life, low pulse rate(relaxed), etc. thanks to vegan diet, mostly organic food, very little dairy products, soy meats, only natural meat is WILD caught Alaskan salmon, no farm raised seafood of any kind allowed. No shell fish due to cholesterol and gout.

Don't get caught up with "it's too late", it's not.]

yakmatt 02-11-2019 04:07 PM

I hate Publix green wise stuff. I'll take plump additive filled chicken any day over that stringy expensive stuff. Do people really think they are going to live longer eat that overpriced, over hyped natural stuff?

RyanL11 02-11-2019 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by williamwallus (Post 12234124)
Watch out at farmers markets lots of of them just resell store shit

The farmers markets are much cheaper and they designate the local farm they came from.. If they are store bought, they are losing money.

I buy some organic...milk and most of my meat.

Capt Grady 23 Gulfstream 02-11-2019 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by John_Madison CT (Post 12234217)
I'm on the periphery of the "Organic" food business. I know, for a fact, that the label on the bottle, jar or can, doesn't mean it's really "organic". It's a marketing claim that makes people feel good about what they're buying.


If you actually bought organic products rather than listening to others I believe you would see that indeed there is a difference in taste, color, and longevity of shelf life, not to mention that your body and health stats say "thank you" for the extra investment.

This conversation is the same as low end or high end boats, "get what you pay for" in MOST cases. Sorry about your doubt, but please don't spread what you hear from competition type statements.

Not saying there isn't some fraud, but I am very conscious of the quality of every meal I eat, and I have NEVER felt even one time that I was graded with an organic label.

Capt Grady 23 Gulfstream 02-11-2019 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by yakmatt (Post 12234285)
I hate Publix green wise stuff. I'll take plump additive filled chicken any day over that stringy expensive stuff. Do people really think they are going to live longer eat that overpriced, over hyped natural stuff?


There are plenty testimonials both ways, so don't be naive. I will give you one you may accept:. My wife works at a hospital, I watch what doctors eat closely. Almost 20 years, maybe seen 2 or 3 doctors eat meat of any kind, you will probably say different at home, but I don't think so.

To answer your question we would not pay the price if we did not KNOW we will live longer, by our doctor reports, stats, energy, sex life, and positive attitude toward life and longevity. We don't have to get approval from you or any other doubter, we get our approval from professionals who KNOW like we know, end of story.

You don't agree, no problem, just don't accuse us of thinking we are doing the right thing when we know we are doing the right thing. That my friend is just speaking without knowing.

edit:. My wife said "living healthy is better than living 'NORMAL'!!

rusbob 02-11-2019 04:49 PM

^^^i know plenty of doctors that eat meat. I know several that smoke. Stop drinking the organic free range koolaid, cap’n.

dssmith 02-11-2019 05:20 PM

I try to avoid "organic" products at all costs. Not worth the extra money.

Boataholic 02-11-2019 05:31 PM

I don't eat near the fruit I used to after finding out I was diabetic.
i have heard that several fruits such as apples and strawberries will absorb chemicals that are difficult to wash off and should be eaten organically

demolition_x 02-11-2019 05:49 PM

Watch the Penn and Teller show Bull$hit, they did an episode on organic foods. Take it at face value.

yakmatt 02-11-2019 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by Capt Grady 23 Gulfstream (Post 12234404)
There are plenty testimonials both ways, so don't be naive. I will give you one you may accept:. My wife works at a hospital, I watch what doctors eat closely. Almost 20 years, maybe seen 2 or 3 doctors eat meat of any kind, you will probably say different at home, but I don't think so.

To answer your question we would not pay the price if we did not KNOW we will live longer, by our doctor reports, stats, energy, sex life, and positive attitude toward life and longevity. We don't have to get approval from you or any other doubter, we get our approval from professionals who KNOW like we know, end of story.

You don't agree, no problem, just don't accuse us of thinking we are doing the right thing when we know we are doing the right thing. That my friend is just speaking without knowing.

edit:. My wife said "living healthy is better than living 'NORMAL'!!

Eat what you want, spend your money on whatever you want, it's your money and life. But IMO what's and extra week or month or two when you are old and dying. I'd rather spend that extra cash on enjoying life while I can. Who knows I might get run over my a truck tomorrow or if I go fishing with a certain friend die in a boating accident.

I've seen thousands of people die. Many have died because they eat poorly and/or ingested too much alcohol, drugs (legal and illegal), smoked or lived a crazy lifestyle. But the overwhelming underlining cause of early death is bad DNA. And from my experience piss poor protoplasm trumps all. We've all heard about the 90 year old smoker and whisky drinker but for every one of those there are many, many more 40 and 50 year olds dropping dead with bad family history.

Aliboy 02-11-2019 06:06 PM

Biodynamic, organic, or spray free usually for us. Wife and kids totally that way and myself a little more flexible about it. We have actually befriended or setup relationships with many of the bio/organic/spray free farmers. We pick up organic milk each week from our dairy farmer friend, get our fruit straight from the trees at a friends organic/spray free orchard. Wife makes the extra milk into organic cheese and the kids make their own homemade icecreams from the milk also. Grow our own 'organic' (not certified) vegetables using hay from the organic dairy farm to make compost. Wife dabbles with the biodynamic preps using organic manure etc as well for the compost. Have around 20 fruit trees covering the main species on our spray free (non-certified organic) property also. It less than a 1/2 acre on the edge of suburbia but enough for a decent garden and plenty of trees. Rest of the vegetables we buy in bulk straight from an organic grower. Grains etc come via the organic stores. All that sounds like a lot of work, but the upside is that we get our 'organic' food overall at normal food supermarket prices or better. I am the only carnivore in the house and when we haven't got half an animal of some sort in the freezer from a local organic farmer I will buy 'normal' meat from the supermarket. Can't bring myself to pay organic meat prices as they are usually beyond reasonable. Fortunately I run a charter business so eat fresh fish as much as I like.
Bottom line is that the organic business is big, but still often involves small family operated farms etc and with some work you may be able to set up a supply chain that bypasses the usual mark-ups that make organic food so expensive. Better to see that money in the hand of the grower so they can develop their business rather than the hand of a supermarket who's main goal is to buy cheap from the grower.
The other huge (to me at least) benefit of organic foods is that they don't support the dropping of millions of tons of pesticides and fertilizers on the planet each year. Who really wants to eat crops that have been smothered in 'RoundUp' and drink (or swim) from rivers that have been polluted with fertilizer run off? Yes it makes stuff cheap for now, but plenty of science to tell us that it won't look cheap in years to come when the soils are all massively diminished and need even more fertilizer to grow anything. Same when eventually the bugs and weeds evolve to be 'roundup ready' themselves and we get into a massive 'arms race' to control them like we have already found with antibiotics after decades of overuse.


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