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Old 02-12-2019, 07:09 AM
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Gues I missed the point of this thread...
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Capt Grady 23 Gulfstream View Post
Congrats smart buying guys. I am 76** years young, no scripts, doctor just told me after hospital tests "you have the heart of a 21 year old".

Perfect blood pressure all my life, low pulse rate(relaxed), etc. thanks to vegan diet, mostly organic food, very little dairy products, soy meats, only natural meat is WILD caught Alaskan salmon, no farm raised seafood of any kind allowed. No shell fish due to cholesterol and gout.

Don't get caught up with "it's too late", it's not.]
You can only speculate your good health is from a vegan diet. My grandmother lived by her self until age 99 in great health. She ate anything she wanted and I can tell you fried was often.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:11 AM
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To some degree, yes. I know how much farmers invest in trying to obtain USDA certification. It's expensive and time consuming. Once they have that certification, they have an incentive to follow the rules so that they keep it. We've got at least two certified organic farms in my community, and the farmers who do it are serious about it. My farmer calls it a "labor of love." The other big organic farmer in our community is sort of an eccentric guy who very much believes in what he's doing, and produces some amazing and unique crops (he grows kale, beets, garlic, shiitake mushrooms, bok choy, and various herbs, among other things).
Do you feel the same about something just labelled "organic" or just those that are "certified organic"? Would you go out of your way and pay more for for stuff just labelled "organic"?

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Neither of these guys are getting rich growing organic crops.
Totally agree there... but is the retailer who is selling them??
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:15 AM
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Also, don't buy organic if you're only doing it to "save the planet." Because it takes more land to produce the same amount of crop, organic is probably only marginally better from an environmental standpoint (i.e. using less chemicals might mean using more fuels to cultivate your crops). Conventional farming is how we feed the world. Organic farming may be how you choose to feed your family.
thanks for the reasoned response. Good info.
The part I chose to quote out of your post, however, is one of my biggest issues with organic.
People not only think they're being more healthy (which isn't exactly true), but they think they're being more friendly to the planet. And it's just not true.
With the amount of people in this world that struggle to get ANY food and the constant destruction of open land for more parking lots, I just can't subscribe to the idea of using more land to produce less.
It's not exactly something us Americans have to think about a whole lot. We take clean water and a plethora of food options as a given. Choosing to pay three times the amount to stuff our face with a grass fed, non-gmo, free range, slept on a feather pillow, spritzed with unicorn dust chicken egg is something entirely unique to people with money.

We all have our personal beefs in life. Organic is one of mine. But maybe I'll make sure my beef in life is at least hormone free.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:17 AM
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All food is organic. Some is just less contaminated than others.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by yakmatt View Post
I hate Publix green wise stuff. I'll take plump additive filled chicken any day over that stringy expensive stuff. Do people really think they are going to live longer eat that overpriced, over hyped natural stuff?
I'll tell you what, I don't think I'll spend my old age wishing I'd eaten more processed foods or spent a fraction less on groceries in my lifetime, and it's not arguable that lifestyle choices effect longevity. In many people's case, eating as natural as possible is part of that healthy lifestyle. So yes, I do think I'll live longer, or live healthier, or both by making those kinds of choices.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
Do you feel the same about something just labelled "organic" or just those that are "certified organic"? Would you go out of your way and pay more for for stuff just labelled "organic"?


Totally agree there... but is the retailer who is selling them??
I would go out of my way and pay more for "USDA certified organic." I don't put much stock in any thing that's merely labeled "organic."

Both of the organic farmers in my community mostly sell their own crops (at farmers markets, over the internet, etc.). That's part of the difficulty for them, as just growing the stuff is more than a full time job.
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:27 AM
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Look the worlds population is growing, if were going to feed everbody you better get used to the fact your going to be eating GMO's 70bu corn don't cut it anymore, you need the 300-400 bu. Anybody who bitches to me about gmo's in grains, my response is, that's fine go starve.

But if you want to buy produce that has the lest amount of chemicals, either grow your own or go to the local farmers market and get it from there. I do
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:40 AM
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Who does this and thinks the premiums in cost are worth it? Anything in particular you will go out of your way to buy organic??

Any items you think are a TOTAL waste to go "organic" and it's just another way to pull a few more $$ out of the unsuspecting public??

This is NOT about 'growing your own'. I think it's great when people have the time and inclination to grow their own food, but this is about purchased groceries.
I understand you don't want any "grow your own" type comments, but I have a comment or two that may be relevant, if you are thinking about buying organic, but aren't sure if it's worth the cost. First, I am one of the people who grows my own food. I don't have an exact number, but I have probably spent less than $50 on vegetables from the store in the last year. I only buy them there if I absolutely need a particular vegetable I don't have access to. I always buy the organic. Second, I am in a couple facebook groups. One is a gardening group for the DFW area. The other is just a neighborhood page where anyone can post about anything they want regarding the neighborhood. Whenever I want vegetables I don't have, I can usually go on one of those pages and get it, very close to free. I like the neighborhood one best, because I can walk to peoples houses. I typically trade with people when I have something they don't. As an example, I don't usually grow melons, but my neighbor does. I bring him strawberries out of my garden in exchange for a melon.

It sounds like you don't grow anything yourself to trade, but I bet your local area has a similar facebook page (again, I don't even know if you do facebook). You could go on said page and post that you want organic produce, and are willing to pay for it. Every home gardener will tell you, we always plant more than we can possibly eat, so I bet you would get several responses from people who would be happy to get rid of their excess, usually for free. Where I live you have to jump through hoops to sell your home grown stuff, so it isn't worth it to set up a stand. But I know I personally am always happy to give away anything we won't eat. Otherwise, it all just goes back on the compost pile.
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Is there inspectors that prove items are organic? I never buy organic how can you be sure it's really organic?
Yes there are. I am heading to Argentina next month for a USDA audit of our facility to do exactly that. I have documentation from Grove to glass for all the products I sell and we can tell you even what the climate, rainfall, pesticides, watering history.....ALL of it. I can also show you analysis down to parts per billion.


There's a lot of good and some not so good information in this thread. In the end a consumer will spend more if they want to or not. I can only assure you that when you see the USDA organic label on the bottle/package, it deserves to be there and the supplier can prove it if they needed to.
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I understand you don't want any "grow your own" type comments, but I have a comment or two that may be relevant, if you are thinking about buying organic, but aren't sure if it's worth the cost. First, I am one of the people who grows my own food. I don't have an exact number, but I have probably spent less than $50 on vegetables from the store in the last year. I only buy them there if I absolutely need a particular vegetable I don't have access to. I always buy the organic. Second, I am in a couple facebook groups. One is a gardening group for the DFW area. The other is just a neighborhood page where anyone can post about anything they want regarding the neighborhood. Whenever I want vegetables I don't have, I can usually go on one of those pages and get it, very close to free. I like the neighborhood one best, because I can walk to peoples houses. I typically trade with people when I have something they don't. As an example, I don't usually grow melons, but my neighbor does. I bring him strawberries out of my garden in exchange for a melon.

It sounds like you don't grow anything yourself to trade, but I bet your local area has a similar facebook page (again, I don't even know if you do facebook). You could go on said page and post that you want organic produce, and are willing to pay for it. Every home gardener will tell you, we always plant more than we can possibly eat, so I bet you would get several responses from people who would be happy to get rid of their excess, usually for free. Where I live you have to jump through hoops to sell your home grown stuff, so it isn't worth it to set up a stand. But I know I personally am always happy to give away anything we won't eat. Otherwise, it all just goes back on the compost pile.
I wasn't looking for those kind of comments, but that's all good info. I wasn't particularly interested in buying organic, just know there's some folks pretty adamant about it and I was really wondering if the higher prices were really justifiable. On "certified organic" they might be, but I still really question just "organic"

It would be awesome if there were a bunch of old ladies growing their own fruits and vegetables around here. I would be much more interested in supplementing their income rather than buying that stuff at the store!!

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Originally Posted by Capt Grady 23 Gulfstream View Post
Congrats smart buying guys. I am 76** years young, no scripts, doctor just told me after hospital tests "you have the heart of a 21 year old".

Perfect blood pressure all my life, low pulse rate(relaxed), etc. thanks to vegan diet, mostly organic food, very little dairy products, soy meats, only natural meat is WILD caught Alaskan salmon, no farm raised seafood of any kind allowed. No shell fish due to cholesterol and gout.

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hate to break it to you, but your doc lied to you! your heart is 76 years old!
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I wasn't looking for those kind of comments, but that's all good info. I wasn't particularly interested in buying organic, just know there's some folks pretty adamant about it and I was really wondering if the higher prices were really justifiable. On "certified organic" they might be, but I still really question just "organic"

It would be awesome if there were a bunch of old ladies growing their own fruits and vegetables around here. I would be much more interested in supplementing their income rather than buying that stuff at the store!!
Wait. You calling me an old lady?
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Wait. You calling me an old lady?
No. Sorry if I might have implied that. I would be out there with a garden too if I had the time. I just recall what my grandmother's back yard looked like. She had just about every kind of berry and vegetable you could imagine in her 1/4 acre (or less) lot. She loved being out there tending the thing every day. She probably could have made some coin selling stuff but she would fill bags for any family member that stopped by and made about any kind of pie you can imagine.
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Organics are a scam! Just watch one of the many documentaries on this.

Here is the biggest problem I believe. Documentaries have agendas, produced by partis an parties.


I waited two days to reply to comments aimed at me here, and read th aarticles linked in this thread, plus others on the subject.


There is FAR too much misinformation, ignorance, and biased info to even get a good discussion going Imo.


You have the "feed the world" group having nothing to do with organic(optional) food. You have the "too much waste of money" group. Then you have the "been eating my way forever" group. Then you have the "fraudulent activity organic food" industry group. And many other groups yet.

Soooooo, where to go from here. I believe #1 concern should be the deterioration of food quality, which of course some totally deny, especially the mega producers(Monsanto's) of crops especially gmo crops.


There is plenty evidence on both sides, take your pick. I will try to compare it to buying a boat, since that is our common subject here.

Let us say extreme case Bayliner vs. Contender. You can obviously say EXACTLY the same things about that comparison with gmo vs. organic, with conventional in the middle.

Now that comparison should be very effective, but for some it still won't matter. Bottom line, 'pay as you go' will suffice I believe, also "buyer beware".

Fortunately in the US we can afford to be selective in most cases, especially here, in our food choices.(some have to take whatever they can get).

My decisionhas been proven enough for me to believe in organic food, more importantly I bbelieve in NATURAL supplements for nutrition, more than food, because they ARE food in extreme portions.(yes fraud DOES exist here too, beware again).

I f we ONLY make decisions based on possible frauds, we won't buy anything.

Last comment comes from my wife:

"It is better to live healthy, than JUST live".
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hate to break it to you, but your doc lied to you! your heart is 76 years old!

So you believe all 76 year old hearts are the same, very intelligent comment.
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is there any peer reviewed science that shows a consensus that organic is more nutritious?
is there any peer reviewed science that shows GMO as being harmful?
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It’s a bunch of bullshit
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Have you ever noticed that every food borne illness caused by bacterial infection comes from organic products?
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So, is the excrement from rodents running in the filed of organic veggies also certified organic? How about the birds flying above; their stool also certified organic?
I do not believe any veggies go through a thermal lethality step.
I think they just get rinsed. And probably with only pure never been adulterated organic water.

What a freakin farce.
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