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Old 02-12-2019, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bikem View Post
Ya'll are just getting old, Out of curiosity I looked up to see who won in the 80s Grammy Awards from the 1980s. Best albums and artists. Growing Up in the 80s Where is Black Sabbath, AC DC, Poison, Iron Maiden, Van Halen, Guns and roses? You take a look at the winners of of the 80s and tell me what you think. I bet non of the bands I listed were even in the running because it was considered controversial "devil worshiping music" at least they are thinking outside the box now.
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Album of the Year:
Christopher Cross by Christopher Cross


Record of the Year:
"Sailing," by Christopher Cross


Song of the Year:
"Sailing," by Christopher Cross


Pop Vocal - Male:
Kenny Loggins, "This Is It"


Pop Vocal - Female:
Bette Midler, "The Rose"


Pop Performance - Duo or Group with Vocal:
Barbra Streisand and Barry Gibb, "Guilty"


Rock Vocal - Male:
Billy Joel, Glass Houses


Rock Vocal - Female:
Pat Benatar, Crimes of Passion


Rock Performance - Duo or Group with Vocal:
Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band, Against The Wind


New Artist:
Christopher Cross
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Here's one where he (the rapper) plays both sides of the card. Actually pretty good.


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Originally Posted by bikem View Post
Ya'll are just getting old, Out of curiosity I looked up to see who won in the 80s Grammy Awards from the 1980s. Best albums and artists. Growing Up in the 80s Where is Black Sabbath, AC DC, Poison, Iron Maiden, Van Halen, Guns and roses? You take a look at the winners of of the 80s and tell me what you think. I bet non of the bands I listed were even in the running because it was considered controversial "devil worshiping music" at least they are thinking outside the box now.
this song, what it apparently represents, the culture it’s derived from, this generation putting stock through song purchase baffles me. This couldn’t possibly be the best musical piece of art this nation created last year. Makes me wonder if true music (or an approximation of what I perceive as music) will ever return or am I/we destined to hang onto the old works and avoid the radio all together. Is the music industry making that much money off the younger generations taste in music that they can cut off a section of their profits (my generation and it’s taste in music) and not miss a beat? Seems like someone is leaving money and talent on the table.
Classical and country are stable for the moment. I can’t handle country but classical is nice.




Black Sabbath- mediocre,
ac/dc - had talent,
poison- didn’t care for them,
Iron Maiden- didn’t care for them,
Van Halen- talented band with David,
guns and roses- had the chance to be Truely epic.

and bob segar is great

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This kind of SHIT is why I love iHeart. I can listen to REAL music whenever I want to and never have to be subjected to this NOISE!
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this song, what it apparently represents, the culture it’s derived from, this generation putting stock through song purchase baffles me. This couldn’t possibly be the best musical piece of art this nation created last year. Makes me wonder if true music (or an approximation of what I perceive as music) will ever return or am I/we destined to hang onto the old works and avoid the radio all together. Is the music industry making that much money off the younger generations taste in music that they can cut off a section of their profits (my generation and it’s taste in music) and not miss a beat? Seems like someone is leaving money and talent on the table.
Classical and country are stable for the moment. I can’t handle country but classical is nice.




Black Sabbath- mediocre,
ac/dc - had talent,
poison- didn’t care for them,
Iron Maiden- didn’t care for them,
Van Halen- talented band with David,
guns and roses- had the chance to be Truely epic.

and bob segar is great
https://youtu.be/Dd-cl_BMSKo
There is a lot of very very good music being made currently. The problem is it isn't popular, and you really have to dig deep to find it. Everything popular is electronic, rap, or essentially a glorified jingle (see Imagine Dragons for glorified jingle). A lot of really good indie artists in everything from singer-songwriter to metal, you just have to dig deeper.
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Originally Posted by alligatorgar View Post


this song, what it apparently represents, the culture it’s derived from, this generation putting stock through song purchase baffles me. This couldn’t possibly be the best musical piece of art this nation created last year. Makes me wonder if true music (or an approximation of what I perceive as music) will ever return or am I/we destined to hang onto the old works and avoid the radio all together. Is the music industry making that much money off the younger generations taste in music that they can cut off a section of their profits (my generation and it’s taste in music) and not miss a beat? Seems like someone is leaving money and talent on the table.
Classical and country are stable for the moment. I can’t handle country but classical is nice.




Black Sabbath- mediocre,
ac/dc - had talent,
poison- didn’t care for them,
Iron Maiden- didn’t care for them,
Van Halen- talented band with David,
guns and roses- had the chance to be Truely epic.

and bob segar is great
https://youtu.be/Dd-cl_BMSKo
My point was that out of the 10 years of the 80s the winners were all conservitave bands. listen to a 80s radio station now where did all the winners go? Do your teens know who Bob Seager is? Or Christopher Cross? I bet they know Van Hallen and Black Sabbath.

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Art should be judged on it's face value, not have to be explained or have a history lesson attached to it.

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Originally Posted by bikem View Post
My point was that out of the 10 years of the 80s the winners were all conservitave bands. listen to a 80s radio station now where did all the winners go? Do your teens know who Bob Seager is? Or Christopher Cross? I bet they know Van Hallen and Black Sabbath.
Yep. the win by “this is America” is like IF the clash had won a Grammy in 1982 for “know your rights” — the cops ran them off the stage for playing that song. it’s considered one of the greatest protest songs of the 80s and would’ve pissed off the reaganites for sure.
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Art should be judged on it's face value, not have to be explained or have a history lesson attached to it.

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this is such a pathetic, sad statement
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this is such a pathetic, sad statement
you're dealing with old people.
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Yep. the win by “this is America” is like IF the clash had won a Grammy in 1982 for “know your rights” — the cops ran them off the stage for playing that song. it’s considered one of the greatest protest songs of the 80s and would’ve pissed off the reaganites for sure.
​​​​​and this is why you don't smoke crack... But in all honesty, the clash kind of sucked back in the day. They were completely overrated... They are better in 2019 than they EVER were in the 80s. That is exactly how bad music sucks today.

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Forget about the song!
was that guys head ginormous or what?!?!!
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what's a Grammy?......................LOL

never seen the awards show and don't intend to ever see one in the future.
Many musicians think of a Grammy as a curse.

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All those awards are pointless and represent the current political trends, otherwise, an artist wouldn't get much credit at all.
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
There is a lot of very very good music being made currently. The problem is it isn't popular, and you really have to dig deep to find it. Everything popular is electronic, rap, or essentially a glorified jingle (see Imagine Dragons for glorified jingle). A lot of really good indie artists in everything from singer-songwriter to metal, you just have to dig deeper.
This is so true .
and so many great artists get ignored.
also,so many people never get to hear how much great music exists and is being produced.
cruise through the “ songs that beg to be cranked” thread for examples.

I like some rap and new music. It’s an acquired taste.
I find this acceptable:
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
There is a lot of very very good music being made currently. The problem is it isn't popular, and you really have to dig deep to find it. Everything popular is electronic, rap, or essentially a glorified jingle (see Imagine Dragons for glorified jingle). A lot of really good indie artists in everything from singer-songwriter to metal, you just have to dig deeper.
Ugly to average looking musicians will never be popular again, regardless of their talent. Can you imagine Dylan or the Ramones coming on to the scene now? They wouldn't make it out of the Village.
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​​​​​and this is why you don't smoke crack... But in all honesty, the clash kind of sucked back in the day. They were completely overrated... They are better in 2019 than they EVER were in the 80s. That is exactly how bad music sucks today.
I completely disagree with your opinion. The Clash is one of the most regarded cutting edge bands of that time and a leader in the punk movement along with the Sex Pistols and many others. Please understand this is when music spoke with meaning and provided an outlet to discuss socio-ecenomic and political musings of this time period just like the origins of rap and many other forms of music. Just because the musical genre's have digressed to a point where there is no more meaning lyrically does not mean the origins of the music and the bands the that created it are to be dismissed.
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I completely disagree with your opinion. The Clash is one of the most regarded cutting edge bands of that time and a leader in the punk movement along with the Sex Pistols and many others. Please understand this is when music spoke with meaning and provided an outlet to discuss socio-ecenomic and political musings of this time period just like the origins of rap and many other forms of music. Just because the musical genre's have digressed to a point where there is no more meaning lyrically does not mean the origins of the music and the bands the that created it are to be dismissed.
thanks for the support of my example (the clash). i thought about responding with a similar post as yours...but 90% of the guys that dont get "this is america" are not going to get the clash either...

i'm sure they're all thrilled by the fact that willie nelson's "you were always on my mind" won the grammy over the clash...
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Art should be judged on it's face value, not have to be explained or have a history lesson attached to it.

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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
this is such a pathetic, sad statement
Maybe my wording didn't convey my thought fully as it was a quick post.
Anyone, for their first encounter and listens to music, views a painting, sculpture (whatever it may be) is left with a first impression.
I'm not saying that will be their final opinion, just their first impression. Like listening to the radio and hearing a song for the first time, hence, face value.
If it peaks their interest to the point they may want to find out more about the artist, that's great too. Art history is wide and vast.

I found the Louvre, Vatican Museums, Sistine Chapel, European cathedrals, churches and other historic places very interesting.


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