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Old 01-30-2019, 09:24 AM
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Anybody here lived in Dubai recently?
My 30 yoa son has been offered a 6 month deal in Dubai. A ton of money and all expenses paid.
However, he's 6'2", 240 pounds of muscle, and will stick out like a sore thumb, as an American.

Any real experience advice? How safe is this these days?
How are taxes handled?
How is banking handled?

I know, it's a boating forum and I should ask an expert.
I will be asking finance people as well, but I have no idea who to ask about living/safety experience there.\
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Old 01-30-2019, 09:26 AM
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I think Dubai is pretty safe
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Old 01-30-2019, 09:32 AM
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I suggest everyone read The Dark Side of Dubai, especially people planning to move or even visit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...i-1664368.html
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Willie - who knew? I'll be reading up on this all tonight. Thanks for the link.
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Originally Posted by willie g View Post
I suggest everyone read The Dark Side of Dubai, especially people planning to move or even visit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...i-1664368.html
One hell of a read. Thanks!
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Def have dif rules and regulations...read a story one time where a British flight attendant had a layover in Dubai. Had a drink or 2 in the hotel bar and the short version was arrested and was placed in prison because she was accused of having sex.... said the trial could take months to process and that they could hold her based solely on accusation....it was a news story probably on my flipbook feed so take that for what it’s worth
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What line of work?
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I know very little except a former employees wife traveled there several times a year for work (without him) often for a couple weeks at a time. He would occasionally go as well and they both loved it there.

(he left our company about 2 years ago so I can't ask)
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Anybody here lived in Dubai recently?
My 30 yoa son has been offered a 6 month deal in Dubai. A ton of money and all expenses paid.
However, he's 6'2", 240 pounds of muscle, and will stick out like a sore thumb, as an American.
Assuming he's a reasonably straight laced corporate guy I wouldn't worry about in Dubai in a general sense. Ton of money and all expenses paid and a 6 month view into another culture (likely many) sounds like a great opportunity. Important for him to remember that he'll be very far from the US and wouldn't want to put himself in any sort of situation where he's on the wrong side of the law but it'll probably be an amazing time. The only reason he'd stick out is if he made a point of sticking out.
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I've only visited, but it's very westernized with people from all over the world living there, so I doubt he'd stick out too bad. There's lots of US military there as well. They will likely just think he's a Marine or something. All I know is that if you knock a girl up there you have to marry her, so tell him to keep it wrapped. I'd definitely go there for six months if someone offered me a pile of money to do so.
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Have a good friend that was an ex-pat for 7 years while working as a civilian contractor for KBR in Iraq. He spent a lot of vacation time in Dubai since he could only legally spend 30 days a year in the US before he had to start paying income taxes again. He would drink and gamble a little and generally relax. He loved it but did say that they don't maintain things at all. They just build new shit and make it really nice, then don't ever come back and take care of it. He also said there were a TON of top-shelf whores everywhere, most of which were from eastern europe.

That article is really interesting.
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Is he married or have any kids? That would be a big factor. Unmarried and no kids I think I'd go for it but would be focused and not get too comfortable. In and Out. I definitely would stay away from local women.
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DEFINITELY stay away from prostitutes. That type of behavior will lead to some serious time with their law.
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what field? If its nursing it could be a scam where they just work you 65 hours a week. If he does go, don't drink/drugs and don't fool around with the girls especially the hookers. He seems like he can handle himself at that size. Get the company to commit to a job when he returns.
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I have a friend who was offered a golf pro position at one of the more elite courses over there 3 years ago. He never looked back. Visits the US a week or two a year, but what was intended to be temporary is now permanent. That said, his company has handlers for them some times when they want to go out, etc... Let's just say he enjoys all the trouble the area has to offer.
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Have been there on work trips, know several people who have been living/working in Dubai for many years.

Overall, it is safe. There are a LOT of people in Dubai from other places/countries, so he is not likely to stick out as much as you might think.

That being said, I would mostly take a keep-your-head-down attitude while there, do your best to "blend in" in terms of what you eat (or don't eat), pick up some basic Arabic and so forth. At the same time, always keep your passport handy, keep some cash on hand and so forth. The chances of him needing to make a speedy exit are extremely low if he doesn't call undue attention to himself, but you still never know when things can go sideways for stuff out of your control.
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I don't want to say too much, so I'll be a bit nebulous. Not corporate. My son has known a Sheik for at least 6 years, via some intricate custom work he did for said Sheik here in America. That Sheik told another about my son, who has contacted my son. He's being asked to set-up and train staff for a custom automotive fab shop. Building has been built and is a shell now. Real nice. High end exotic type work. He's single and very proficient. Currently has a fledgling business he can walk away from and restart at some point in the future.

I've requested a copy of the draft formal agreement.

That article and others I've read with that same slant since this morning sure are making hesitate on giving him my blessing on this, though he really does not need my blessing. Fortunately, he does value my opinion.
I have also read plenty of articles with a positve slant.
Y'all with actual experience are somewhat settling.
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:00 PM
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I don't want to say too much, so I'll be a bit nebulous. Not corporate. My son has known a Sheik for at least 6 years, via some intricate custom work he did for said Sheik here in America. That Sheik told another about my son, who has contacted my son. He's being asked to set-up and train staff for a custom automotive fab shop. Building has been built and is a shell now. Real nice. High end exotic type work. He's single and very proficient. Currently has a fledgling business he can walk away from and restart at some point in the future.

I've requested a copy of the draft formal agreement.

That article and others I've read with that same slant since this morning sure are making hesitate on giving him my blessing on this, though he really does not need my blessing. Fortunately, he does value my opinion.
I have also read plenty of articles with a positve slant.
Y'all with actual experience are somewhat settling.
I'd be very cautious with that. Every other guy you meet in UAE is a "Sheik" and knows other "Sheiks" and has various pet projects like this. I've probably heard of 50 similar scenarios in the last 10 years, off-hand, I can't think of any that have worked out as expected, though I'm sure some have. You have to be very careful in UAE about anything debt-related and getting yourself into a position where you cannot deliver as advertised (even if it is out of your direct control at times). Going over to work for someone else as an employee/contractor is a lot less risky on the business front, but being "the guy" in something like this, you really really want to know how to navigate their culture and business approach.

I've been doing business in the Middle East for a while, to be completely honest I dismiss almost all of these kinds of grand-fantasy sorts of things and I focus on what is up and running and able to be dealt with right now. Maybe I've passed up a lottery ticket along the way, but can't recall hearing any of the things I've passed on ever going on to be "something". 100% serious, just last year I had someone tell me about a big project, lots of funding, they needed someone form the US to come over and help with, they were doing this guy a favor by picking him, Sheik is involved, etc. It was the same pitch/project I looked into and passed on 5 years ago. It's like a hobby for some of these guys and weird shoot-the-moon exotic business startups.

Your case might be different, I don't know. You can PM me your info and I'm happy to spend a few minutes talking with you/your son if you want.
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Oh, and the two non-strict Arabic friends I have who grew up in the US went to move there, but came back. Was unsettling for them.

I'm sure in most instances it is fine for shorter duration. Longer the duration, the higher the odds of one of those random tales that can and really do happen take place. People there break most all of their religious laws, but that doesn't mean they aren't laws that can't be enforced. You don't wanna be the guy they choose to enforce them on because if actually arrested, it is a difficult process.

Oh, and if doing something that is ok in the US, but nefarious there, even with the Sheik, and caught, you know who is taking the fall.
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I'll take you up on that call in the near future. I want to find out more about the Guy in question, and the actual proposal.
I do know the apartment would be at the Dubai Marina Towers. Meals included. A driver to take him to the business and back. Paid in full <prior> to the month worked, by month.
Ya, sounds too good to be true. Check.

I do know for a fact the first Sheik is an actual Sheik. A no holds-barred kinda guy. Very much into motorsports of all sorts. From bikes to Globals. So that side of the equation is a given.

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