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Old 01-30-2019, 04:48 PM
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Been offered but never done it myself. But I've known a few who have and they say it's perfectly safe as long as you respect their laws and never make any sort of scene. However, they all had a similar experience as far as the finances went. As long as the "sheik" was happy they got paid as promised. But if the sheik had a bad day the guy writing the checks shorted the agreement and gave them that "whatcha gonna do?" look. And the truth is what ARE you gonna do? Good luck initiating a suit there or demanding payment.
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:53 PM
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I suggest everyone read The Dark Side of Dubai, especially people planning to move or even visit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...i-1664368.html
How old is that story?

Anyway, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. No reason not to go to Dubai. No reason to feel unsafe about it either.

I have a couple friends that travel to the ME often for work, including Dubai, enjoy it, no trouble, etc.

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Old 01-30-2019, 04:58 PM
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That story is 10 years old.
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Old 01-30-2019, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Esuomm1 View Post
How old is that story?

Anyway, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. No reason not to go to Dubai. No reason to feel unsafe about it either.

I have a couple friends that travel to the ME often for work, including Dubai, enjoy it, no trouble, etc.
It was written in 2009, so what?

When was the last time you were there?
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Old 01-30-2019, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
It was written in 2009, so what?

When was the last time you were there?
Knowing what year it was written in gives the reader context, like when they talk about debt to GDP% as some dire indicator of impending doom and destitution.

Quite a different scene 10 years later and many years before 2008/9, as we all know.
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Old 01-30-2019, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Esuomm1 View Post
Knowing what year it was written in gives the reader context, like when they talk about debt to GDP% as some dire indicator of impending doom and destitution.

Quite a different scene 10 years later and many years before 2008/9, as we all know.
Most of what is described in the article is relevant today.
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Esuomm1 View Post
Knowing what year it was written in gives the reader context, like when they talk about debt to GDP% as some dire indicator of impending doom and destitution.

Quite a different scene 10 years later and many years before 2008/9, as we all know.
if you didn't read the article why even quote
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Originally Posted by willie g View Post
if you didn't read the article why even quote
You have to read something in order to quote it. That's how I was able to quote it.

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DEFINITELY stay away from prostitutes. That type of behavior will lead to some serious time with their law.
Unless you're a sheik, prince, or ridiculously wealthy. Then you do what you want since you can just buy your way out.
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Old 01-30-2019, 07:35 PM
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Several of my family members travel there regularly, like several times per year. They all love it! Very westernized, but......the gov't keeps a VERY TIGHT focus on all who come there on work visa's.

Like mentioned already, DO NOT, do any illegal drugs, drink outside any drinking establishment, drink outside your apt. I would also tell your son NOT to jog very early in the morning, nor after dark....apparently that is a problem recently. Nothing to become very alarmed at, but something to take note of.

Tell him to read up on all their laws and regulations and follow them to the letter. basically, as long as he keeps his head at work and stay away from the bad area's he'll be just fine. Oh......Do Not Spit on the ground. automatic 36 hours in jail! crazy, I know.
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Old 01-30-2019, 07:41 PM
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I'll take you up on that call in the near future. I want to find out more about the Guy in question, and the actual proposal.
I do know the apartment would be at the Dubai Marina Towers. Meals included. A driver to take him to the business and back. Paid in full <prior> to the month worked, by month.
Ya, sounds too good to be true. Check.

I do know for a fact the first Sheik is an actual Sheik. A no holds-barred kinda guy. Very much into motorsports of all sorts. From bikes to Globals. So that side of the equation is a given.

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My step daughter has worked in Dubai for more than 17 years. Only had one problem that she told us about. We've made a few trips there
No problem but I did receive some looks that were the opposite of love when at the malls.. only a couple tho. I was very aware of where I was.
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Old 01-30-2019, 08:41 PM
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Been there several times for work and I’d categorize it as generally safe but I always had the feeling I was being watched....just remember the bill of rights and the constitution are not a thing in Dubai.
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Old 01-30-2019, 09:33 PM
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I'm an airline pilot and have been there many times for work, never felt physically unsafe there. There are basically three classes of people there, the Emiratis are at the top because they have all the money. They don't work for the most part, just lounge around while their wives shop. Next is the U.S., Australian, and European expats that fill all the professional jobs which your son will be a part of it sounds like. They make Dubai run because an Emirati pretty much couldn't wipe their own butt without help. Lastly is the unskilled labor class, the Filipinos, Pakistanis, and Indians that do all the manual labor and get treated like dirt. It was common practice in years past for employers to demand the passports of their lower class workers so they couldn't leave the country without their permission. The government denies it happened but that was BS, it was very common. I know a german guy that was a chef at a high end hotel and they took his passport so it's not just the manual labor guys. If your son takes this job tell him no matter what, do not relinquish control of his passport while he's there, he can't get out of the country without it.

There's the very strict Muslim side of Dubai where you can get arrested for sitting in the wrong section on the light rail system, and there's the seedy anything goes underside of Dubai. The trick is to figure out how to navigate between them and the rules are all in their favor. For the most part they don't mess with the European/U.S. expats but you never know. There are a LOT of russian hookers in Dubai, Arabs really like blonde haired blue eyed girls and they have plenty of money which attracts them. Barasti Beach at the Dubai Marina was swarming with them the times I've been there and most of them are stunning, big money attracts some pretty high quality. I'm sure there are drugs available too but I wouldn't know for sure, I'd stay far away from that in Dubai because I doubt they tolerate it very well. Alcohol is freely available but not at all venues, you have to be in a hotel bar or nightclub that caters to westerners. They stop serving drinks for prayer hour then start again after it's done, it's pretty strange.

Rich Emiratis like their bling and fast cars so one of them paying a a car builder to come over & work for a while doesn't surprise me a bit. It sounds like a legit job just make sure he doesn't sign anything that restricts his ability to leave and under no circumstances should he let them hold his passport for "safe keeping".
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Old 01-30-2019, 10:38 PM
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Any real experience advice? How safe is this these days?
I will be asking finance people as well, but I have no idea who to ask about living/safety experience there.\
Thanks
Old friend grew up there with family in the oil business. Talking about it one day she said they basically had no crime because law very strict. For example if you were caught shop lifting they cut off your hand.
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:23 AM
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If it is as it seems, sounds like a great deal. Having said that, how many things these days truly are, as they seem..............

I wish him luck.
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Old 01-31-2019, 04:55 AM
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However, he's 6'2", 240 pounds of muscle, and will stick out like a sore thumb, as an American.

Just like GaryCrow, I'm there a dozen times or more each year. To say an American expat will stick out like a sore thumb is far from reality, regardless of his height and weight.

Dubai is primarily an expat community. Much of the educated workforce is American, European, Australian and New Zealander. A large majority of the working class are Filipino and Pakistani. The place is basically a giant shopping mall in the desert. I've never felt unsafe and I've never come close to having a legal issue.

There's nothing to be worried about.
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Old 01-31-2019, 10:10 AM
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While I cant speak directly for Dubai, I can speak for the Middle East in general. I live in Bahrain currently and work in Saudi. I mostly travel back and forth every day but do stay in Saudi depending on my work load or job site distance. Overall, Saudi is the worst. The rest of the GCC is pretty open. All of the GCC is pretty safe. Safer than the US for the most part. The big thing is avoid going into areas that just don't look right. You will know them when you see them. Don't cause trouble, keep your cool when dealing with police/military/etc, and just generally stay low key. Western expats get a pass for most things, but don't intentionally abuse that privilege. It is a huge difference from the US, but I have been to worse places in the US.

As far as business goes, its different and the rules are not the same. Even if you have everything in writing upfront, it doesn't mean a whole lot, unless you are a general labor type guy or somebody with some wasta. Everybody in between is basically at the mercy of the employer. If there is an issue, while you might be right and have the labors laws in your favor, it doesn't mean much. Your employer probably has family or friends in the labor office or government. You can file a case with the labor office or take them to court if you are an independent contractor. And the case will probably be decided in your favor. Good luck trying to collect...

With all that said, the type of operation your son is going into is probably ok. Its not going to be a huge multibillion dollar operation.These are the places that would worry me. The arabs, like someone else mentioned, do love their toys. So its probably going to be mostly for the sheik and his friends.

Worst case, he comes home with some life experience. And as someone else also mentioned, don't go into dept while there.

One final word of caution. If things start going wrong and the writing is on the wall, get out early and get out of Dodge(Dubai in this case). Don't wait until they cancel your visa and blacklist you from leaving. Dubai isnt so bad compared to Saudi, but they can still keep you from leaving but it takes more time. Saudi actually requires an exit visa to leave. Luckily I have a multi exit/entry visa and can come and go as I please.
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My friends daughter and SIL spent three years there from 2014-2017. Both were 23 at the time, out of college for a year and just married. Both english teachers from KC. They made a shit of money in a short time working at a private school teaching english. Each was paid something like 150K a year. On top of that they were given a 2bd 2bd condo with a car to use (free) and a monthly stipend of $1500 a month for food and entertainment. They had a good time, they they returned two years ago they had about $600,000 in their bank account saved. They bought a house with cash and are now teaching in KC
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