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Old 01-09-2019, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisjb View Post
I have to third this. It's a simple thing, but IMO makes a big difference.

Also, as you probably already know, break down and master portions of a song versus attempting a whole song at once. IMO that is a quicker way to learn muscle memory. And try to stay away from tablature - you should already be able to read music.
I know plenty of great guitar players who can't read music. I think a healthy combination of understanding music theory and being able to read tabs goes way farther than knowing how to read music. When is the last time you seen a guitar player on stage stop to turn the page?...
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cwhite6 View Post
Any of you ever play one with half nylon and half metal strings?
As you said before, that's a nylon string, classical-style acoustic. I have never played half and half nylon and steel...if that is your intention with that guitar, I would ask the guy that is setting it up what he recommends for the combo (maybe your Mom already has it set up for the string combo).

My personal inclination would be to go with extra light steel strings vs. nylon. Nylon strings are intended for the classical, finger-style (finger picking) player. If it was me, I would start with a pick, to which steel strings lend themselves better (in my opinion). Of course there are a million variations on it just like everything in life, but strumming chords for the beginner guitarist will sound and feel better with steel strings (again, in my opinion)...
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SweetD View Post
As you said before, that's a nylon string, classical-style acoustic. I have never played half and half nylon and steel...if that is your intention with that guitar, I would ask the guy that is setting it up what he recommends for the combo (maybe your Mom already has it set up for the string combo).

My personal inclination would be to go with extra light steel strings vs. nylon. Nylon strings are intended for the classical, finger-style (finger picking) player. If it was me, I would start with a pick, to which steel strings lend themselves better (in my opinion). Of course there are a million variations on it just like everything in life, but strumming chords for the beginner guitarist will sound and feel better with steel strings (again, in my opinion)...
X2! Plus when you learn on nylon and eventually move to steel string you're fingers will hate you and have to learn all over again. For the same reason once past the very basics of chords and scales yoy should get a strap and play standing at least half the time. I didn't do that and it was really awkward learning everything over in a new position.
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Originally Posted by cwhite6 View Post
Yíall are awesome!! Thanks!! My Mom brought her guitar over tonight. I need to get it restrung. It is an Epiphone C-10/NA and it has half metal strings and half nylon which Mom says she prefers. I am bringing it to the local music shop tomorrow to get it restrung. Any of you ever play one with half nylon and half metal strings?
I only use metal strings. When it comes to string gauge, it's important to go with a gauge that fits in the nut slots without binding. Your guitar tech will know.

When you tune your guitar, start with the low E and work your way to the high E.

Fresh strings make a huge difference. When someone tells me they"re not happy with their tone, the first thing I ask them is when was the last time they changed their strings. If it was more than a month, I tell them to change their strings and re-evaluate. I stretch the hell out of my strings after I install them. I change my strings before each gig. And they're shot after just one gig. Since I go through a pack or two per week, I just use inexpensive Ernie Ball strings. They stay in tune great and never break. I've found the stainless frets on my guitars wears strings fast. But I choose that over every two to three year refret jobs. I'm a blues guy so I bend strings alot and that really wears on frets and strings.
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I donít have a whole lot to add, but Iíve been learning guitar for about 15 years now. First, I learned some songs but had no idea how or what I was playing but could do quite a few licks/riffs and impress a few ladies. But I really was just mimicking what someone taught me. I got bored with it after a while and set the guitar aside for about 8 years. Then I decided to pick it back up and start from scratch trying to accomplish actually learning how to play, much like brad1 is saying above. Itís harder (frustrating), itís less impressive (to the observer cause you arenít really playing catchy tunes). But, it certainly is the way to go.

There are some good apps that can help you along the way. Yousician is pretty good. Fender has an app. They have costs but Iíve learned a lot along the way.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SweetD View Post
As you said before, that's a nylon string, classical-style acoustic. I have never played half and half nylon and steel...if that is your intention with that guitar, I would ask the guy that is setting it up what he recommends for the combo (maybe your Mom already has it set up for the string combo).

My personal inclination would be to go with extra light steel strings vs. nylon. Nylon strings are intended for the classical, finger-style (finger picking) player. If it was me, I would start with a pick, to which steel strings lend themselves better (in my opinion). Of course there are a million variations on it just like everything in life, but strumming chords for the beginner guitarist will sound and feel better with steel strings (again, in my opinion)...
Will the all metal strings mess up the guitar? I am a total noob to this, but I didnít think it was a good idea to put metal strings on a guitar meant for nylon. The guitar does not have a pick guard either.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JonisMist View Post
I know plenty of great guitar players who can't read music. I think a healthy combination of understanding music theory and being able to read tabs goes way farther than knowing how to read music. When is the last time you seen a guitar player on stage stop to turn the page?...
Glad to see you took out the "charts"

I think reading music, which I presume the op already can, will result a quicker understanding of "music theory" and more importantly, a more effective way for the op to learn the fret board and the tonal relationships. IMO, tab is very helpful for someone starting out with no instrument experience, but since that's not the case here, I don't think it would be as helpful, and possibly slow the op's learning curve. There's a lot of great tutorials/info all over the internet, but it seems to over-emphasize tab.

So maybe I should have wrote - be aware that much of the info you will get off the internet will be heavily tablature based. Don't assume that that is the only way to learn the guitar. Use whatever way/method you think works best for you.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisjb View Post
Glad to see you took out the "charts"

I think reading music, which I presume the op already can, will result a quicker understanding of "music theory" and more importantly, a more effective way for the op to learn the fret board and the tonal relationships. IMO, tab is very helpful for someone starting out with no instrument experience, but since that's not the case here, I don't think it would be as helpful, and possibly slow the op's learning curve. There's a lot of great tutorials/info all over the internet, but it seems to over-emphasize tab.

So maybe I should have wrote - be aware that much of the info you will get off the internet will be heavily tablature based. Don't assume that that is the only way to learn the guitar. Use whatever way/method you think works best for you.
I can read both (actually three) clefs of music. I will make sure I do sheet music and tabs. My wife is an expert at music theory (music performance major in college), so she can help me out.

I do really appreciate all the tips!
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:43 PM
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Will the all metal strings mess up the guitar? I am a total noob to this, but I didnít think it was a good idea to put metal strings on a guitar meant for nylon. The guitar does not have a pick guard either.
Nylon strings are in a class of their own, compatible with guitars built specifically for them. Also, never put steel strings on a nylon string guitar.

- I just pulled that off the internet because I thought that was an interesting question and I wanted to know someone else's opinion before I made myself look like a fool.

It makes sense because string material and diameter affects the nut and required tension affects the neck and relief.

As far as the pickguard - it functions to protect the guitar finish, so its not that important to the guitar's function - more aesthetic.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cwhite6 View Post
Yíall are awesome!! Thanks!! My Mom brought her guitar over tonight. I need to get it restrung. It is an Epiphone C-10/NA and it has half metal strings and half nylon which Mom says she prefers. I am bringing it to the local music shop tomorrow to get it restrung. Any of you ever play one with half nylon and half metal strings?
Keep us posted on your progress.
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Off topic... but I will be at the Martin factory tomorrow. I am picking up my old girl who needed some adjustment. Such an amazing place. There is a feeling you get walking through the doors there.

Anyway, would anyone be interested in pics from the museum? There is some crazy history and crazy artwork in there,
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Off topic... but I will be at the Martin factory tomorrow. I am picking up my old girl who needed some adjustment. Such an amazing place. There is a feeling you get walking through the doors there.

Anyway, would anyone be interested in pics from the museum? There is some crazy history and crazy artwork in there,
I would love to see some!!!! I truly appreciate guitars as works of art.
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I would love to see some!!!! I truly appreciate guitars as works of art.
I will post some up when I get back tomorrow. If you're ever in PA make it a priority to visit the factory.
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ive been to the factory 3 times and every time is a trea; looking forward to the picst. the museum is great. met Maury Muelheisen (jim croces guitar player) sister there one time in the parking lot. ive held some special models and played one at the factory. very special place. if you go to the old factory (luthier shop) tell Gail and Liz hi. they are awesome ladies with a vast knowledge of guitars and guitar making. lots of history.
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Good luck, cwhite6. I just got into it a few months back. My daughter started adding guitar to her voice lessons, and I initially thought to try with her to help motivate her. I didn't realize the trap laying in front of me, and I fell in hard. It really helped me get through the mental funk that I found myself in at the time. Something about focusing on making something happen with the strings makes the rest of the world melt away.

Let me explain the trap a bit. Just a few months later:
We now have collectively 7 guitars, some strategically left ready to practice away from home (office, camp);
We decided to dedicate an extra bedroom in the almost completed new home to be a music room;
I now get lost in YouTube guitar videos and music theory;
and, I feel the stress of trying to improve to show the teacher each weekend that progress is getting made. (I often get lost in trying to learn something other than what the teacher asked.)

I tend to gravitate towards activities/sports that don't require others or teams, such as golf and fishing. Both of those require the time and effort to improve without the need to worry about others. Guitar is no different.

I took a bit of violin and piano as a young kid, but I had to relearn sheet music. I lost all of that knowledge. The teacher has us playing based on sheet music rather than tab. I love that I can now pick up a Christmas song book and go to town with it because I can read the notes. I am now anxious to see what he says when I explain that I bought a video game for my guitar that runs basically off of tab. I hope he doesn't bitch. Thanks for that, THT!
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Originally Posted by trout25red View Post
Good luck, cwhite6. I just got into it a few months back. My daughter started adding guitar to her voice lessons, and I initially thought to try with her to help motivate her. I didn't realize the trap laying in front of me, and I fell in hard. It really helped me get through the mental funk that I found myself in at the time. Something about focusing on making something happen with the strings makes the rest of the world melt away.

Let me explain the trap a bit. Just a few months later:
We now have collectively 7 guitars, some strategically left ready to practice away from home (office, camp);
We decided to dedicate an extra bedroom in the almost completed new home to be a music room;
I now get lost in YouTube guitar videos and music theory;
and, I feel the stress of trying to improve to show the teacher each weekend that progress is getting made. (I often get lost in trying to learn something other than what the teacher asked.)

I tend to gravitate towards activities/sports that don't require others or teams, such as golf and fishing. Both of those require the time and effort to improve without the need to worry about others. Guitar is no different.

I took a bit of violin and piano as a young kid, but I had to relearn sheet music. I lost all of that knowledge. The teacher has us playing based on sheet music rather than tab. I love that I can now pick up a Christmas song book and go to town with it because I can read the notes. I am now anxious to see what he says when I explain that I bought a video game for my guitar that runs basically off of tab. I hope he doesn't bitch. Thanks for that, THT!
I need that mental release. I have been in a funk lately, mostly because I do not have projects to mess with to occupy my time. Especially at home. Hopefully this will help with that.
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I need that mental release. I have been in a funk lately, mostly because I do not have projects to mess with to occupy my time. Especially at home. Hopefully this will help with that.
I think you will find that peace. In my case, I was feeling rundown based on problems and people that I couldn't control. Guitar playing somehow lets me let all that crap go for a bit.
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The metal strings you are seeing are not really metal - they are wire-wound, nylon core. The winding gives it mass, but it's the nylon that's taking the tension. That's typical for a classical guitar. DO NOT put solid metal/metal-core strings on that! A guitar designed for metal strings has a different bridge, tuning pegs and a truss-rod in the neck for strength. A classical guitar is not designed to stand the tension required to get all metal strings up to tune.
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Originally Posted by SilverGraphite View Post
The metal strings you are seeing are not really metal - they are wire-wound, nylon core. The winding gives it mass, but it's the nylon that's taking the tension. That's typical for a classical guitar. DO NOT put solid metal/metal-core strings on that! A guitar designed for metal strings has a different bridge, tuning pegs and a truss-rod in the neck for strength. A classical guitar is not designed to stand the tension required to get all metal strings up to tune.
I found that out earlier when I dropped it off to get restrung. It is a cheap Epiphone that I think my Dad paid $150 for. It will be ready this afternoon!! Hopefully I can stick with it. I have already found a Martin electric/acoustic that is for sale used at Guitar Center tht is calling my name!!
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I found that out earlier when I dropped it off to get restrung. It is a cheap Epiphone that I think my Dad paid $150 for. It will be ready this afternoon!! Hopefully I can stick with it. I have already found a Martin electric/acoustic that is for sale used at Guitar Center tht is calling my name!!
If money isn't a problem then great, if its tight you may want to slow down cowboy. My personal choice is to have all the strings made of the same material. It's important to have everything sounding alike imo. 2nd, you want a guitar that will stay in tune, one that falls out easily will only add to your frustrations and discourage you as a player.

I think it better to see if your still playing 2 months from now before you run and drop $500 or more on a guitar. There are any number of $200 guitars you can grab to use during your early learning phase. Best of luck, don't get discouraged and look on FB or craigslist for a jamming buddy.
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