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Old 11-10-2018, 08:44 AM
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Shame, prayers for those affected

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Old 11-10-2018, 08:58 AM
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Mother Nature sure likes to have fires in areas with lots of downed trees, brush and tinder.
Old 11-10-2018, 09:32 AM
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Camp is now rated the most destructive fire in Cali history with over 6500 structures lost, in less than 48 hours. Frigging unbelievable Starting to remind me (and not in a good way) of the monster bushfire seasons in Australia when I was a kid - 1974/1975, 11 million acres, Ash Wednesday 1 million+ acres, 2400 homes, 75 people, 1984/85 New South Wales season 8.6 million acres.

Someone (talking about Malibu) made a comment about imagine being stuck on a road like that with that f*cker coming. This is the result (these shots from Camp - not my photos). Don't know for sure what is going on in the first one, whether that was just a bunch of cars parked off the side that got caught, or whether they were abandoned as people ran for it. The second one seems pretty clearly abandoned. They found 5 people so far in or near cars in the Paradise area trying to escape that didn't make it.

I drove through a forest fire just getting started one time a few years ago. Probably only an acre or two. There was no-one else on the road but me, but even that scared the hell out of me - you don't know if you are going to go around a bend a find a tree down or fire blocking the road in front of you with the fire closing off the exit to the rear. My heart goes out to everyone mixed up in these, north, south or anywhere else (Australian season is just about getting started), and just a huge amount of respect to all those with the stones and training to wade into one of these.

Old 11-12-2018, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverGraphite View Post
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Someone (talking about Malibu) made a comment about imagine being stuck on a road like that with that f*cker coming. This is the result (these shots from Camp - not my photos). Don't know for sure what is going on in the first one, whether that was just a bunch of cars parked off the side that got caught, or whether they were abandoned as people ran for it. The second one seems pretty clearly abandoned. They found 5 people so far in or near cars in the Paradise area trying to escape that didn't make it. <snip>
I was one of those who made a comment like that. I cannot imagine what it would be like. I've driven through forest fires but it was mostly smoke where I was and not that close to the actual fire. I did hear that many had to abandon their cars in place and literally run for their lives.

However, I've also been involved with projects in California where the environmental restoration was a huge problem. They had to re-establish BRUSH next to the road and could not cut down trees at all. Imagine how much easier it would be for escape and for fire-fighting crews if there was NO possibility that a tree could fall across the road because they were cleared back from the road ROW??
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Almost zero amount of rain over an extended time period is a killer.
Old 11-12-2018, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by YFMF View Post
Almost zero amount of rain over an extended time period is a killer.
It's a problem, for sure, but not really the disaster. The disaster is lack of planning BECAUSE you have had a lack of rain for so long. Those conditions should set off alarms at every level in the state government to step up fire prevention and mitigation efforts.. like clear cutting firebreaks.

It's like the industrial safety training. There's dangerous conditions and dangerous acts. You have a building full of cardboard boxes in the aisle ways and then let some nutcase do some welding in the building without having fire protection readily available... recipe for disaster.
Old 11-12-2018, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
It's a problem, for sure, but not really the disaster. The disaster is lack of planning BECAUSE you have had a lack of rain for so long. Those conditions should set off alarms at every level in the state government to step up fire prevention and mitigation efforts.. like clear cutting firebreaks.

It's like the industrial safety training. There's dangerous conditions and dangerous acts. You have a building full of cardboard boxes in the aisle ways and then let some nutcase do some welding in the building without having fire protection readily available... recipe for disaster.
I would be hard pressed to believe that a measly little fire break is going to stop one of these infernos with the Santa Anna winds blowing 40-50mph behind it. I do subscribe to the belief that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure though.
Old 11-12-2018, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dulcecita Lures View Post
Sad for all affected.

Having spent a fair amount of time with friends out in Cali, I always questioned why anyone would build a home in the canyons around Malibu. Pretty, yes. But an absolute death trap of scrub and eucalyptus with often one way in and out. One errant spark away from annihilation. Throw the Santa Ana into the mix and it's like a blowtorch.

I wish all the best for them.
Interesting, is there a lot of eucalyptus?

They contain a large amount of oil, and rely on very hot fire to start the germination process for their seeds.

Eucalyptus in various forms are the dominant tree species in Australia, part of the reason we get such destructive forest fires.
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I would be hard pressed to believe that a measly little fire break is going to stop one of these infernos with the Santa Anna winds blowing 40-50mph behind it. I do subscribe to the belief that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure though.
Look at some of the pictures. Just a road between two areas stops the fire. Sometimes just a clearing in the right place. Sometimes it doesn't stop it completely, but what starts up on the other side can be taken care of by firefighters and tanker planes. It's not the whole solution, but it give you a realistic shot at controlling the spread.
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Originally Posted by lurker25 View Post
I would be hard pressed to believe that a measly little fire break is going to stop one of these infernos with the Santa Anna winds blowing 40-50mph behind it. I do subscribe to the belief that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure though.
They are unlikely to stop a large fire. They do however allow access for fire fighting vehicles and if conditions allow it you can backburn from a fire break.
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Scary stuff, but a good dad..

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Originally Posted by andosan View Post


Interesting, is there a lot of eucalyptus?

They contain a large amount of oil, and rely on very hot fire to start the germination process for their seeds.

Eucalyptus in various forms are the dominant tree species in Australia, part of the reason we get such destructive forest fires.
Eucs all over southern Cali, brought from Australia in the 1800s, I believe. One of the few trees that would grow and thrive there. I had a silver dollar euc in my backyard here in AZ. Eventually took that sucker out; it was too close to the house and huge. I was more afraid of a lightning strike than fire.
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
Look at some of the pictures. Just a road between two areas stops the fire. Sometimes just a clearing in the right place. Sometimes it doesn't stop it completely, but what starts up on the other side can be taken care of by firefighters and tanker planes. It's not the whole solution, but it give you a realistic shot at controlling the spread.
I understand fire breaks and how they are useful in some situations but you are talking about fires fanned by 40-50mph winds, you're talking about a fire that jumped the 101 freeway. I am not saying give up and don't try, just saying that in these instance I do not think it would have made the first bit of difference.
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
It's a problem, for sure, but not really the disaster. The disaster is lack of planning BECAUSE you have had a lack of rain for so long. Those conditions should set off alarms at every level in the state government to step up fire prevention and mitigation efforts.. like clear cutting firebreaks.

It's like the industrial safety training. There's dangerous conditions and dangerous acts. You have a building full of cardboard boxes in the aisle ways and then let some nutcase do some welding in the building without having fire protection readily available... recipe for disaster.
Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
Look at some of the pictures. Just a road between two areas stops the fire. Sometimes just a clearing in the right place. Sometimes it doesn't stop it completely, but what starts up on the other side can be taken care of by firefighters and tanker planes. It's not the whole solution, but it give you a realistic shot at controlling the spread.
You sir are uninformed, I live in the North Eastern San Gabriel Valley, close to the foothills, there are fire roads everywhere, the fire dept do frequent inspection for brush clearance of buildings, fire awareness is paramount and the residents are vigilant.
When we have fires during the Santa Ana's you can see embers traveling hundreds of feet, the number one reason for the devastation is where some of these homes are built as previously mention, ridgelines and canyons that have traditionally been fire path, limited entry and exit.
The Woosley fire was on one side of highway 101 jumped the highway and the two collector roads next to the highway and devastated the Malibu area.

PS:local news agency reporting extensive looting in Malibu, three arrested so far.
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Wow, that it sobering!

Those pictures sure tell the story that written print cannot.
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Damn toasty in Ventura

This guy went to rescue his crippled friend but couldn't get there in time. GRAFFIC

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CfHfb_1541798651
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Originally Posted by Reel 007 View Post
You sir are uninformed, I live in the North Eastern San Gabriel Valley, close to the foothills, there are fire roads everywhere, the fire dept do frequent inspection for brush clearance of buildings, fire awareness is paramount and the residents are vigilant.
When we have fires during the Santa Ana's you can see embers traveling hundreds of feet, the number one reason for the devastation is where some of these homes are built as previously mention, ridgelines and canyons that have traditionally been fire path, limited entry and exit.
The Woosley fire was on one side of highway 101 jumped the highway and the two collector roads next to the highway and devastated the Malibu area.

PS:local news agency reporting extensive looting in Malibu, three arrested so far.
I'm not saying that it's just the fire breaks that would stop it, but they give you a chance to control it. The fire certainly has to 're-establish' itself after crossing a break. That's when you have an opportunity to knock it down to something you might be able to control.
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Originally Posted by mitchk View Post
Damn toasty in Ventura
https://youtu.be/PVEJtwMPXkU

This guy went to rescue his crippled friend but couldn't get there in time. GRAFFIC

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CfHfb_1541798651
That is very sad.
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Originally Posted by Uncas View Post
For some reason God must be mighty angry at them Californians.
I'm not a religious scholar but isn't that Sodom and Gomorrah deal very similar if not identical to what's happening right now in Cali.......?
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Originally Posted by mitchk View Post
Damn toasty in Ventura
https://youtu.be/PVEJtwMPXkU

This guy went to rescue his crippled friend but couldn't get there in time. GRAFFIC

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CfHfb_1541798651
it's disabled or handicapped not crippled!!!
Or I'm I missing sumtin?

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