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Old 09-18-2018, 07:55 PM
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Default Interesting article about cost to repair cars as they get more tech advanced.

Good article on a topic I never thought about. I was under the impression that as cars advanced in technology the cost of repairs would actually go down. For example, one of the company cars I had the radio stopped working so I took it to the Ford dealer. The entire module that had the climate controls, vents, radio, CD player, etc was removed with a special tool. They literally popped out the old module and unplugged the connector and popped in a new one. It took less than 5 minutes to replace it. I figured that this massive reduction in labor time would add to less costly repairs. According to this article that isn't the case.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/owne...cid=spartanntp
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Marine engines are the same. See more and more 'parts swapping' going on as the engines are too complex for the mechanics to easily diagnose. When you just had compression, spark from a coil and fuel from a carb there wasn't that much to sort through.Now add in 20 different sensors, an ECM, fuel from a highly complicated injection system, spark from some complex computer working off some of those 20 sensors and even valve timing that self adjusts with rpms. Now the mechanic hasn't got enough time to test each individual part even if they could, so take whatever hints the computer gives you and start changing parts that have massive sales margins. Might change several before they find the right one, and hourly rates are huge because of all the complex tooling and training required. Bottom line is that it isn't in the manufacturers interests to spend more on R&D to make their engines or cars easier to repair.
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Try changing a battery or a light bulb on some modern cars.
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One of the reasons I ditched my 2015 Denali, and rock a 1993 454 3/4 Suburban. Pulled the heads and did a cam swap on my 09 Suburban, had to get a tuner and program it. Even 90's/2000's have pos ABS modules etc that break and cost mega bucks like on the C5 vette. I'm just going to keep picking up pre-1995 3/4 tons. I keep pricing a new RST Suburban, its 75k, so 65k out the door at best, still too much.
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I hired a marine mechanic to diagnose/fix an intermittent fuel pump issue years ago. That was a waste. Time and a volt meter solved it on my own tracing down a factory spliced wire before the relay.
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Why is it the electronics on boats last for years and years, but the touchscreen radio on my wife's 2013 has broken twice? Cars may be better now, engines good for 200k, but the electronics keep me from owning long term.
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They are pricing lower class out of purchasing new cars.

Simplicity is the best solution. All the gadget's in the world can't stop someone from texting while driving.
We have 3 kids in college, told the wife no new cars for 4 years. The repairs on our older vehicles are really inexpensive.
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I think the overall cost of keeping a car going is far less. Everything lasts a lot longer. Some things are just expensive when they break. If you were not maintaining your own car, all of those "tune ups" really started to add up. Even if you did, you still bought a lot of parts. Tires lasted 15,000 miles and you threw the car away at (or before) 100,000 miles.
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The end goal for car manufacturers isn't selling a car once, but selling the same car everyday. It will either be a lease, pay as you use/per month, or a continuing car payment. Much like all software has gone to ongoing maintenance fees and you never ever own anything, automobile manufacturers are also looking at the perpetual income stream.

Volvo is already doing it.
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Originally Posted by aubv View Post
Try changing a battery or a light bulb on some modern cars.
Went to change my dads battery, popped the hood and he didn't have one. Found the sucker under the back seat. He said forget this I'll call AAA. They wouldn't replace it.
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Originally Posted by captainmarknc View Post
Why is it the electronics on boats last for years and years, but the touchscreen radio on my wife's 2013 has broken twice? Cars may be better now, engines good for 200k, but the electronics keep me from owning long term.
I assume its the user. My wife thinks that pressing the preset button on the radio harder will make a better song come on. She will also flip through every preset before deciding which song she wants to hear the last 15 seconds of...

Similarly, if she is cold, she believes that turning the heat up to 90 will get the house warm faster than if she turned it up to 78
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Originally Posted by fishingfun View Post
Went to change my dads battery, popped the hood and he didn't have one. Found the sucker under the back seat. He said forget this I'll call AAA. They wouldn't replace it.

Friends Jeep Cherokee is under the passenger seat.
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Originally Posted by Thalasso View Post
Friends Jeep Cherokee is under the passenger seat.
Grand Cherokee and Durango are under the passenger front seat. Don't forget to hook the vent line back up.
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Not to pile on, but I know if you change the battery on ANY bmw post 2006, the heater controls have to be in a certain position or the dealer will have to reprogram to fix damper door fluttering and even have different setting based on if its an AGM or Flooded battery (which is in the trunk) Learned the hard way. That being said, I still work on all of my own stuff and have nothing that still has a warranty. After buying the software to plug my laptop into the OBDII port, It is amazing the information you can get that helps diagnose the problem. Between the computer and a GOOD ohm meter, not much I cant diagnose myself now.
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Originally Posted by Strike1 View Post
I assume its the user. My wife thinks that pressing the preset button on the radio harder will make a better song come on. She will also flip through every preset before deciding which song she wants to hear the last 15 seconds of...

Similarly, if she is cold, she believes that turning the heat up to 90 will get the house warm faster than if she turned it up to 78

I disagree, its a known fact that turning the thermostat colder in the summer causes the air con compressor to run faster.
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Originally Posted by Elgreco809 View Post
Grand Cherokee and Durango are under the passenger front seat. Don't forget to hook the vent line back up.


He had a dead battery and couldn't find it and then i told him where it was he said screw this and had it done in a garage

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Originally Posted by CruiseToFish View Post
I hired a marine mechanic to diagnose/fix an intermittent fuel pump issue years ago. That was a waste. Time and a volt meter solved it on my own tracing down a factory spliced wire before the relay.
This. Most "mechanics" now a days aren't mechanics.

I helped my friend fix his kids car a few months back.. guy kept swapping alternators wondering why it wouldn't charge when the battery was dead lol
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Originally Posted by Thalasso View Post
He had a dead battery and couldn't find it and then i told him where it was he said screw this and had it done in a garage

I can't remember if you can just put the seat up all the way and squeeze it out or if you have to remove the 4 bolts and prop the seat up. Honestly I never saw too many durangos with bad batteries. Heat is the enemy to anything electrical so putting it in the car probably helps a bit.
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Originally Posted by gfretwell View Post
I think the overall cost of keeping a car going is far less. Everything lasts a lot longer. Some things are just expensive when they break. If you were not maintaining your own car, all of those "tune ups" really started to add up. Even if you did, you still bought a lot of parts. Tires lasted 15,000 miles and you threw the car away at (or before) 100,000 miles.
Other than fuel consumption improving I am not so sure. Used to be that you could lift the bonnet and work on your engine. Now there is often an hour of 'covers' removals before you even start. Used to be you changed your brake pads occasionally for a few $'s. Now you often have to change out the disks as well every 2nd time you do the pads etc. Used to be if the heater didn't work you changed the $30 valve. Now you change a $1000 computer. Light bulbs used to be $2.50 and take 5 minutes to change. Now they are $25 and take an hour.
I jump from my 1970's muscle car to a mid 90's Toyota to a late model BMW. Muscle car is dead easy and cheap to look after. Has the worst ride overall, and for the miles it does it needs the most care. Mid 90's Toyota is still pretty easy to look after, almost never needs work, rides great, but missing the latest gizmos and a little lower on power than current models. Late model BMW drives the best, has lots of power and gizmos, but I am glad the company pays for the servicing. Overall I like the mid 1990's cars as a compromise between cost to maintain and all the other considerations. I like the idea that I can have a toolkit in the trunk and have half a chance of fixing a breakdown if there is one.
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Yea, remember the good ol days.
Plugs, points, cap, condenser ever 10k miles
Plug wires every 20.
Shocks and ball joints at 50k
Brakes at 60k
Clutch at 100k
Car wore out at 120,000

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