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Need some input from contractors,or tile guys . Baseboard first or tile ?

Old 08-10-2018, 09:24 AM
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Skipping over which goes first IMO the correct baseboard for tile is tile. But if you're going with wood over tile the tile does go first; it's just easier to do it the wrong way.
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:38 AM
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so what happens when you decide its time to change out the tile in 10 years.. You have to also tear out the baseboard and chance messing up your wall/sheetrock.. I'm a baseboard first person and tile up to the baseboard.
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mikefloyd View Post
Skipping over which goes first IMO the correct baseboard for tile is tile. But if you're going with wood over tile the tile does go first; it's just easier to do it the wrong way.
Wrapping up all the tile on another one of my houses this week. Bathrooms all get 4” floor tile baseboard with schlueter trim on top. Basement gets wood baseboard on top. To much work and cost to use tile.

Tommy- never seen a bathroom where they tiled up to a toilet. That’s pretty funny unless your a plumber. ��
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirby349 View Post
Have a new house being built and have to say it has went extremely smooth thus far. But came time for tile and trim ...
I have done some tile work but buy far no expert so if I am off let me know. I have always put tile down first then baseboard ....simply because that's what I thought baseboard was made for ,to cover the expansion gap between the tile and wall . Plus no long grout lines .
My builder put the baseboards first then tiled ...and it doesn't look horrible but I think I would prefer to have the baseboards 1/2 inch taller and not have a grout line all the way round my house.
And I wrong for thinking this way, or is there something I am missing? And if he did it the wrong way what is my recourse?

Always tile then base. Scribe or caulk base to floor.

also I prefer to tile before cabinets.
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Originally Posted by amofgreenville View Post
so what happens when you decide its time to change out the tile in 10 years.. You have to also tear out the baseboard and chance messing up your wall/sheetrock.. I'm a baseboard first person and tile up to the baseboard.
If you are worried about replacing a few pieces of baseboard and some drywall repair after ripping up a tile floor you need to seek professional help.
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Lprizman View Post
Always lower layer first....who says different is a baker or mailman
This x 2
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:41 AM
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I am a tile contractor grew up in the business my whole life. Trim first is a very common because it is better to have your door jambs set before install and trim guys don't want to make multiple trips. It also will help hide the floor flatness. The con to it is that you can't get as much room for expansion. I prefer base on top and do it a lot. In my opinion base on top is the right way but base first is acceptable.

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Old 08-10-2018, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by t4000 View Post
The trades have reversed the process for builder speed not quality . The new way is all trim first ,paint and then floors . The proper way is all trim except baseboard and paint . then floors under base . wood flooring needs a gap about a 1/4 all the way around . You can't keep a grout line against wood due to the movement of the wood . grout will always crack at the wood . Its much slower to do it the correct way .
Yep, welcome to the new 21st century.

Quality and workmanship goes down as the prices go up.
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:35 PM
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It can be done either way and still get the look of the baseboard being over the tile. It's called a jam saw and any tile installer worth his salt will run one and slide the tile under the base and grout it correctly.

seeing tile butted up against baseboard is the equivalent of wearing your underwear over your pants.

My father has owned and ran his own tile company for 40 years and is still out there laying houses out for his crew. When he finishes a house, it looks like the entire slab was tiled first and everything was built on top of it. He lays the floor out like the damn Egyptians where the lines will run through the walls and from room to room. When you are in a place with a truly artistic tile floor, you cannot put your finger on it, but it's extremely pleasing to the eye. Now you know why.

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Old 08-10-2018, 12:48 PM
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I have always put baseboard over tile and wood flooring. I back cut the bottom and using a 3 foot 2x4 and step or kneel on it to press the baseboard tight down. On big hardwood base I would scribe if needed to get a fit.

I would not accept a grout edge as termination of base to tile.

fwiw it takes no longer to do it right than fiddle fudge with less proper installations.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SRQMynatt View Post
It can be done either way and still get the look of the baseboard being over the tile. It's called a jam saw and any tile installer worth his salt will run one and slide the tile under the base and grout it correctly.

seeing tile butted up against baseboard is the equivalent of wearing your underwear over your pants.

My father has owned and ran his own tile company for 40 years and is still out there laying houses out for his crew. When he finishes a house, it looks like the entire slab was tiled first and everything was built on top of it. He lays the floor out like the damn Egyptians where the lines will run through the walls and from room to room. When you are in a place with a truly artistic tile floor, you cannot put your finger on it, but it's extremely pleasing to the eye. Now you know why.

^^^^ this^^^

Take your pick which goes on or down first but when your done, the base better be sitting on the tile and the tile better not have a grout line against the wood.

Trying to save base after tearing up a tile floor sounds like a fools errand.

The shoe should be put down using a little sealant to prevent spills/mop water from running under the base and getting to the walls. There is a reason they used to call it all "mop board" rather than just "base board" or "trim"
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:38 PM
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What I see done now a days:
Baseboard, then tile, followed by a shoe molding.
Is it the right way? I donít know. But itís what I see in new construction and the houses rebuilt after the 2016 flood.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:43 PM
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Correct way is tile first then scribe the base to it. However if this is a spec home and not a 1 off custom build... thatís how itís done. Not to say itís the best way though.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RockportFisher View Post
Cabinets never go on finish floor. They need to be leveled and the floor is never perfect. Plus the fact what happens when you want to change your flooring out and you cant get it out from under the cabinets. Oh yea...there is a whole thread on that subject going on right now.
I respectfully disagree here... yes, I'm a contractor and a master plumber for almost 30 years, so I've been in a bathroom or two.

Look at the other perspective of your scenario: What happens when you want to change out the vanity (which is far more common than changing out the tile)? Now you have to either 1. Get a vanity with the exact same footprint or larger, 2. Patch, which will always look patched, or 3. Replace the entire floor. My biggest concern is water intrusion; tile that floor fully and get it sealed, and any water on the floor is likely to stay there and not creep.

Most vanities these days are free-standing, furniture-type vanities. I just installed one in my own bathroom recently... fully tiled underneath and behind.



Different stroke for different folks, I guess. Flame away.
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:02 PM
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Tile first. If not, I'd have to wonder what other corners the contractor has cut.
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:32 PM
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I worked for a flooring contractor for 5 years doing mostly builder work. Did thousands of houses. It was always base then tile or hardwood and then shoemold or 1/4 round. And the floors were never level lol. Looks fine with shoe down.
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lunchmoney View Post
I worked for a flooring contractor for 5 years doing mostly builder work. Did thousands of houses. It was always base then tile or hardwood and then shoemold or 1/4 round. And the floors were never level lol. Looks fine with shoe down.
damn, that's over 1 house per day, 7 days per week of doing it the wrong way
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bjm9818 View Post
Wrapping up all the tile on another one of my houses this week. Bathrooms all get 4Ē floor tile baseboard with schlueter trim on top. Basement gets wood baseboard on top. To much work and cost to use tile.

Tommy- never seen a bathroom where they tiled up to a toilet. Thatís pretty funny unless your a plumber. ��
Either way the whole floor should be tiled first; then baseboard and cabinets.
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Old 08-11-2018, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 04keywest1720 View Post
damn, that's over 1 house per day, 7 days per week of doing it the wrong way
Try telling pulte and ryland they are doing it all wrong. As with most GCs, it's their world, we're just living in it.
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It totally amazes me that with all the “Professional” contractors and tradesmen on THT that something as simple as this subject can’t be agreed upon with industry standards of installation procedures across the board.

Just go’s to show it’s more about quanity and not quality.
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