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Old 08-06-2018, 07:42 PM
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Curious what the brain trust has to say about Whole food plant based diets. Not Vegan. There’s apparently a difference.
I guess you still eat meat, chicken, fish on occasions.

I recently watched an interesting documentary, “Forks over Knives”.
it had some compelling evidence on the benefits of plant based diets.

Im still recovering from my open heart surgery on my aneurysm. I need to lose 40lb and keep my BP low going forward.
So I’m exploring different eating lifestyles. I’ve been a 110% carnivore up to this point in my life, often eating meats 3 times a day.

Anyone eat mostly plants?
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Forks over knives is good...in defense of food is another good one.

"Eat food, mostly plants, and not too much"

"Food" in his definition is exactly what it sounds like: food. Vegetables. Fruits. Meats. Fish. Nuts. Bread. Things humans actually eat. Most of what's in the grocery store is not food.

Now I'm a pretty meat n taters kind of guy, but we've slowly been switching to more vegetables and less and less meat. I do think Americans focus WAY WAY too much on meat in our diet.

I'm far from a nutritionist but I think if you want a fail safe diet for health...it's gotta be Mediterranean. Greece and southern Italy.

We've been focusing on that lately. It's amazing how good something can taste with so few ingredients. Heavy on the olive oil of course.
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How is it a plant based diet if you eat animal protein?

the biggest thing with most "diets" is that most people can't sustain them for one reason or another, mostly because of willpower.

Make some changes that are sustainable and keep making more once you're able to sustain the previous ones.
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Actually, the whole food plant based IS vegan. No meat or dairy at all and they frown on using oil to cook (separating the oil from the plant no longer makes it whole). I've been on it for 2 years now (although I cheat every couple of months with fresh seafood). My untreated cholesterol was over 400 with a horrendously bad HDL/LDL ratio - my body does not process it or get rid of it very well, and stains were giving me really bad side effects. So I went WFPB (and watched forks over knives and have 2 of their cookbooks).

It takes a bit of getting used to, but my cholesterol numbers are almost down to 200, and I feel better, plus no side effects. Eating healthy takes a big commitment, though. Prepping veggies and fruits to eat at every meal plus snacks is very time consuming. My blood protein numbers are actually better than when I ate meat 3 meals a day.
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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post
How is it a plant based diet if you eat animal protein?

the biggest thing with most "diets" is that most people can't sustain them for one reason or another, mostly because of willpower.

Make some changes that are sustainable and keep making more once you're able to sustain the previous ones.
My interpretation is that plants are the focus, not meat. Doesn't mean there isn't meat, just that it's not often the main course (ie...not many pot roasts with a side of green beans).

I think animal protein is a critical part of our diet...but I think we've put way too much focus on it. That said, I still eat country fried steak and don't make any apologies for it.

Completely agree with everything else you said. Diets aren't sustainable. It has to be a lifestyle change.
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My interpretation is that plants are the focus, not meat. Doesn't mean there isn't meat, just that it's not often the main course (ie...not many pot roasts with a side of green beans).

I think animal protein is a critical part of our diet...but I think we've put way too much focus on it. That said, I still eat country fried steak and don't make any apologies for it.

Completely agree with everything else you said. Diets aren't sustainable. It has to be a lifestyle change.
Guess it seems the definition has changed. I looked it up and yes it used to be vegan, then vegetarian and now just "few" animal sourced ingredients. Will beef be included someday because cows eat plants?

i have changed my diet quite a bit. It can be quite difficult but over time you accept the new norm. Cheating occasionally (actually just occasionally) can make it more bearable.

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Guess it seems the definition has changed. I looked it up and yes it used to be vegan, then vegetarian and now just "few" animal sourced ingredients. Will beef be included someday because cows eat plants?

i have changed my diet quite a bit. It can be quite difficult but over time you accept the new norm. Cheating occasionally (actually just occasionally) can make it more bearable.


Yeah I have no idea what the definition actually is. I don't think veganism is a healthy diet at all. Not sure if that's considered plant based or not (I mean obviously it is...I mean I don't know if they're the same).

Like I said, I'm very much a meat eater but do agree that plants should be the focus...and things like lentils and legumes replacing meat completely sometimes (we do that about once a week). It is definitely hard to change but over time you get used to it, and you tastes definitely change. Going home this past weekend I am reminded just how bad the typical American diet is. My parents' fridge is filled with packaged stuff...high sodium, processed, etc. And my mom is on BP meds. Granted, she is an amazing cook, but they usually default to the prepared foods anymore. Anyway, we ate that all weekend and I felt like absolute CRAP. Contrast that with our fridge that actually has very little in it...because we only have enough for a week. A few packages of meat, and tons of fresh vegetables. Makes a big difference.

We still eat meat about 6 nights a week. Some nights it is the focus...and I have no problem taking down a steak or a burger off the flat top. But usually it's a small portion of grilled or roasted chicken paired with a ton of different vegetables. Generally try to do something new each week.

I love seeing our fridge pretty much empty at the end of the week. Takes a while to get good at it but we've got a decent rotation of tasty dinners that we enjoy eating.
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I honestly still miss quite a bit of what I used to eat, but by not eating it that seems to diminish. When I cheat it feels like a treat, but it also doesn't satisfy like my brain is expecting it to, or I feel gross. It's quite weird actually experiencing that.

I love food and was a complete omnivore and while I still am besides the things I need to avoid, certain things just don't do it for me anymore. Like a great steak - I still love it, but 8oz and I'm done for at least a week. I can't imagine having one daily, and I certainly used to have them quite often.
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I haven't really "given up" anything....except soda and things of that sort. (had nothing to do with a diet....I just know how horrible it is and don't actually like it anymore) I just have had a huge shift in what I eat regularly. During the week I stick to the good stuff...and on the weekends too if we don't go out. I'm a huge craft beer fan and homebrewer, but right now we don't even have a beer in the house except for some miller that a buddy brought over. We drink wine alot during the week, which has actually probably made the biggest difference.

But if we go out and get BBQ, you can bet I'm getting the combo with ribs and fried chicken, and washing it all down with a gallon of sweet tea. It's just that only happens maybe once a month or less now. Heck, I'm down to only having Bojangles' once or twice a month at the most.

Like you, it does feel like a treat...and I don't really find myself craving it. But when it's time to go out, it's game on.

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Beer, scotch, wine and tequila are my favorite vegan items.
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Originally Posted by mmccombs View Post
Beer, scotch, wine and tequila are my favorite vegan items.
Tequila isn't vegan if you get the authentic stuff.
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I haven't really "given up" anything....except soda and things of that sort. (had nothing to do with a diet....I just know how horrible it is and don't actually like it anymore) I just have had a huge shift in what I eat regularly. During the week I stick to the good stuff...and on the weekends too if we don't go out. I'm a huge craft beer fan and homebrewer, but right now we don't even have a beer in the house except for some miller that a buddy brought over. We drink wine alot during the week, which has actually probably made the biggest difference.

But if we go out and get BBQ, you can bet I'm getting the combo with ribs and fried chicken, and washing it all down with a gallon of sweet tea. It's just that only happens maybe once a month or less now. Heck, I'm down to only having Bojangles' once or twice a month at the most.

Like you, it does feel like a treat...and I don't really find myself craving it. But when it's time to go out, it's game on.

There's no craft beer here which is surely a blessing in disguise. That's a huge weakness for me. My last labs were a bit crazy and i'm sure it was cause I drowned more than a few high-test crafts the night before the labs when I got stateside. Ten Fidy? I'll have 3 please and a DIPA to wash them down, thanks.

Occasionally I'll get my hands on something decent or pack some to bring back but I like to stretch it as long as I'm able to so that 4 pack lasts a month or more. Kalik is OK, but nothing special. The fridge as been empty of beer for almost 2 weeks but I was craving one today after doing some chores and sweating like a pig.

I can't do sweet tea anymore either because of the caffeine (really messes with me and when going out it isn't decaf) but some good BBQ and tea definitely sounds great! Brisket... I definitely crave that any time I let myself think about it.

I swear the worst part of the dietary restrictions is some of the veggies I'm supposedly allergic to. Like zucchini - we used to make all sorts of zucchini "pasta" a few times a week and that's no longer an option. Real pasta is OK, but I prefer the zucchini "noodles" and I really miss those meals which aren't unhealthy generally.
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There's no craft beer here which is surely a blessing in disguise. That's a huge weakness for me. My last labs were a bit crazy and i'm sure it was cause I drowned more than a few high-test crafts the night before the labs when I got stateside. Ten Fidy? I'll have 3 please and a DIPA to wash them down, thanks.

Occasionally I'll get my hands on something decent or pack some to bring back but I like to stretch it as long as I'm able to so that 4 pack lasts a month or more. Kalik is OK, but nothing special. The fridge as been empty of beer for almost 2 weeks but I was craving one today after doing some chores and sweating like a pig.

I can't do sweet tea anymore either because of the caffeine (really messes with me and when going out it isn't decaf) but some good BBQ and tea definitely sounds great! Brisket... I definitely crave that any time I let myself think about it.

I swear the worst part of the dietary restrictions is some of the veggies I'm supposedly allergic to. Like zucchini - we used to make all sorts of zucchini "pasta" a few times a week and that's no longer an option. Real pasta is OK, but I prefer the zucchini "noodles" and I really miss those meals which aren't unhealthy generally.
DIPA...now you're talking my language. I used to stock up a the bottle shop pretty much every week. Now I may have a few high end beers at home one night a month...but I make it count.

Funny, wife just fixed turkey meatball pasta with zucchini and squash noodles tonight on the kitchenaid spiralizer. I'm with you....it's actually really good and decently healthy.

I grew up drinking more sweet tea than any human should reasonably consume, but I've more or less given it up except for three occasions: BBQ, Bo's, and when at grandma's house. I still love it and would drink a gallon a day if it wouldn't kill me.
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Danielle can help you, she's a cardiologist and a friend of mine who specializes in plant based diet. She'll reply by email as well if you email her. She's on Instagram too.

theVeggieMD ? Danielle Belardo, M.D.
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https://www.instagram.com/theveggiemd/

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I like to think I consume a plant based diet. Plants make up the base of the pyramid.
Cow eats plant
i eat cow.
I poop
poop grows new plants for cows to eat. Self sustaining
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It's not what you asked about, but we went grain free a while back. That's no rice, pasta, and flour. I guess if we were strict about it that would mean no beans as well. The hardest part for me is trying to figure out what to eat. We use zucchini in a spiralizer to make "pasta" and it works well and tastes pretty good also. We do the cauliflower rice. With good gravy it is just ok. For baking or making a roux we use almond, coconut, tapioca, or arrow flour. Hardest part of that is getting the recipe right. They taste fine. Bottom line is my wife has lost at least 15 pounds and I have dropped about 10. I cheat a lot more than she does. We eat all the meat we want, but mostly chicken only because we prefer it. I have even found cauliflower boudin! One store makes it taste just like regular boudin. Another, not so much. Over all, it is not too hard to adhere to. We still get some good meals.
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Ha, oops didn’t realize I had actually hit submit. I drafted it and thought it was a bit of a smart a$$ remark and didn’t mean to hit submit.

To at least add something of substance, my wife eats much healthier than I and while not purely vegetarian she will substitute various vegetable options like when I make gnocchi she will have cauliflower gnocchi. She also does the spiral zucchini as pasta. Kodiak cakes are a high protein pancake mix that is really good too.
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BEEF is plant based! What do cows eat? Plants! therefore Beef is a plant.
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Just watch your diet I have lost 10 pounds without doing very much. I don't eat breakfast only one cup of coffee to get my day going and a glass or two of water. Never have eaten breakfast. For lunch I will eat a sandwich or something small with plenty of water. Dinner I just re frame from eating too much whatever we have and I drink more water or unsweetened tea. I drink alcohol but only on the weekends unless something is going on.

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