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Old 07-21-2018, 11:09 AM
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Though I have two degrees and minors I think college is a waste and will put him in a setting full of crap depending on where he winds up. I strongly encourage any kid to join the services and pull an MOS in either medical or high level technology ie welding, inspection, mechanical systems. If Medical then obviously pursue the field of medicine with the other pursue a career in the API , American Petroleum institute.. His military service will gain him clearances. My buddy pulls down 300k a year, working 6 months a year with nuke clearances in the CWI portion of API.
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Old 07-21-2018, 11:17 AM
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If he is sure he wants to join the service, I would apply to Valley Forge Military Academy and Jr. College.

Go to the Jr College for 2 years and come out with an Associate's Degree and also a 2nd Lieutenant after OCS. Transfer or go into service as an Officer.

Pretty sure this is still the only place to get to 2nd Lieutenant concurrently with an Associate's Degree in 2 years.

Pretty good school for the Academies also as they seem to have a little sway.
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4 years of college then the military.

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Old 07-22-2018, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Fish Haid View Post
I am sort of like a foster parent to a kid who is turning 18 in September. He has always wanted to join USMC. He will be starting his senior year of high school in few weeks, but he has also applied for dual-enrollment at a local college (will find out next week if he is accepted). He gets good grades, and has no criminal record. Physically, he is sort of on the small side (5'-6", 120 lbs), and likely wont' grow much more. Strong and scrappy though, and he is on wrestling team. If he goes to college, he has free tuition paid for by the State, due to being in foster care previously.

For now, he has pretty much decided that he will go to college first, so that he can become an officer. His current plan is to be in Reserves during college and go in full USMC after. Has been talking to a recruiter lately, and they have promised him his choice of job or career (flight mechanic, etc). He is a good hard worker, but he definitely has anger issues, is subject to outbursts when pushed too hard, and does not like being talked down too. He realizes that this might pose some difficulty for him in the service.

I am somewhat concerned that he will be railroaded into a long term commitment before he really has time to decide for himself. He wouldn't graduate college until 5 years from now, and his perspective could change. Not sure how the recruitment works, or if they can or will try to get him to sign now for full service after graduation. Apparently, he would be signing something soon, or maybe in September when he is 18. I asked to bring me any contract they want him to sign, so I can read it before he signs his life away. Not sure if I'll ever get to see it though.

Personally, I don't want him to go into the service, and he knows it, but I won't stand in his way either.

Just wondering if anyone can shed light on how it works with college, reserves, contracts, job promises, committing to full time after graduation, etc. for years, I have heard stories about predatory recruiters promising things that never materialize.
a degree in cyber security and coding, probably 2 yrs Max and he should be pulling in 100k within a couple of yrs. Google the current and future shortage of qualified employees
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:47 PM
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If he is sure he wants to join the service, I would apply to Valley Forge Military Academy and Jr. College.

Go to the Jr College for 2 years and come out with an Associate's Degree and also a 2nd Lieutenant after OCS. Transfer or go into service as an Officer.

Pretty sure this is still the only place to get to 2nd Lieutenant concurrently with an Associate's Degree in 2 years.

Pretty good school for the Academies also as they seem to have a little sway.

Actually there are 4 military Jr colleges, Marion Military Institute, New Mexico Military Institute, VF and Georgia Military College. They all have and ROTC ECP (early commissioning program). Finish 2 years with an AS, get commissioned and then transfer to any college with a ROTC program and get your BS/BA. Then it's guard, reservers or full time. The program was scaled back during the last administration and very difficult to get in to but now they have doubbled the slots. My son is now a 1st Lieutenant and went that way. While it is great financially it's a lot of hard work and the washout rate is about 65% (my son's class had 30% finish the program from day one).

Of course the needs of the Army come first and in my son's class they didn't have a choice and all had to go active.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:52 PM
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My vote would be college and ROTC. If he can get in and it’s paid for it is a no brainer IMO. Guys I knew that did military first did well in school but never really fit in with us idiots having a good time right out of HS. And maybe he meet a smart girl and get his MRS degree which would be even better.
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I think getting a 4 yr degree and then going in as an officer is great advice from you.

I went PLC USMC and love being a Marine, definitely helped me in my career, he would definitely get leadership skills and confidence, that you cannot buy or learn elsewhere. However, he should also think about future careers (public) and perhaps ( and I cannot believe I am saying this) may be some of the other services offer skills that are useable for what he might want to do for a career. For example, the Airforce has drones/electronics, Coast Guard- boating/Captain experience/electronics.

Here is a USMC link that might help. The good thing about this program is he gets a "taste" of USMC and Service, while he is maturing/learning at college, he then decides if he wants to go in.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/un...course-3332801
God bless your son for wanting to serve and he must be really smart...he wants to be a Marine!

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Old 06-10-2019, 09:54 AM
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So.... long overdue update. Thanks for all the advice last summer.

This was pretty well settled when he went to MEPS last September. He signed-up under the Delayed Entry Program and was scheduled to go to boot camp this coming October. Plan was to finish that and be in Marine Reserves while he went to college. That plan stayed in effect until recently. He graduated high school two weeks ago. He now feels that he should wait until after college to join-up. Apparently, he feels that his recruiter "friend" misrepresented some things to him. For one, he found out that the particular thing he signed up for (Reserve, or whatever) would be first in line to get activated. Some other things also that he didn't want to discuss with me in detail.

Anyhow, he has asked his recruiter buddy to stop texting or calling him. My thought is that he is already obligated to go to basic training, but he tells me that there are no repercussions if he simply doesn't show up. Apparently, under the delayed program, he is not under a set deadline. At least that is what he tells me, and I don't know for sure. I am relieved, because I think it is best. Helping him with college application now. Hoping they don't come arrest him next fall for being AWOL.
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Originally Posted by bayrunner16 View Post
If he is sure he wants to join the service, I would apply to Valley Forge Military Academy and Jr. College.

Go to the Jr College for 2 years and come out with an Associate's Degree and also a 2nd Lieutenant after OCS. Transfer or go into service as an Officer.

Pretty sure this is still the only place to get to 2nd Lieutenant concurrently with an Associate's Degree in 2 years.

Pretty good school for the Academies also as they seem to have a little sway.
I think there are a couple. Marion Military Institute here in Alabama has the same program.
https://marionmilitary.edu/ecp/

Edit: Missed yakmatt's post above

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Old 06-10-2019, 10:18 AM
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Thanks, but he gets free tuition if he goes to a FL public university or college.
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish Haid View Post
So.... long overdue update. Thanks for all the advice last summer.

This was pretty well settled when he went to MEPS last September. He signed-up under the Delayed Entry Program and was scheduled to go to boot camp this coming October. Plan was to finish that and be in Marine Reserves while he went to college. That plan stayed in effect until recently. He graduated high school two weeks ago. He now feels that he should wait until after college to join-up. Apparently, he feels that his recruiter "friend" misrepresented some things to him. For one, he found out that the particular thing he signed up for (Reserve, or whatever) would be first in line to get activated. Some other things also that he didn't want to discuss with me in detail.

Anyhow, he has asked his recruiter buddy to stop texting or calling him. My thought is that he is already obligated to go to basic training, but he tells me that there are no repercussions if he simply doesn't show up. Apparently, under the delayed program, he is not under a set deadline. At least that is what he tells me, and I don't know for sure. I am relieved, because I think it is best. Helping him with college application now. Hoping they don't come arrest him next fall for being AWOL.

I'm sure you're relieved. He could not have come to that decision without your guidance.

From personal experience, my son believed his recruiter "buddy". When he got off the plane for boot camp, he said, " You know I could have backed out before I got on the plane." He did make the best of it and does appreciate the experience today.
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish Haid View Post
Anyhow, he has asked his recruiter buddy to stop texting or calling him. My thought is that he is already obligated to go to basic training, but he tells me that there are no repercussions if he simply doesn't show up. Apparently, under the delayed program, he is not under a set deadline. At least that is what he tells me, and I don't know for sure. I am relieved, because I think it is best. Helping him with college application now. Hoping they don't come arrest him next fall for being AWOL.
I would get this nailed down now , ask a lawyer , whatever .

Damn college wasn't free in FL for me , nice , many many options . Med fields seem the easiest route to stable 100k yr/benefits - PA , Pharm , etc. plus good wifey material as classmates .
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If he goes to college, make sure he major's in something specialized like Civil Eng, Computer Science, Cyber Security, Programming, accounting, ect..

I know and have seen way too many college graduates that earned a degree in the Arts, General Studies, Business Admin (Now because so many people get this degree), ect... that couldn't find a job at all, or find a job and only make 35K - 40K per year. Getting a specialized degree in college, and earning a couple certifications while in college are the way to go.
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Well, he says Business, or Engineering, or Nursing, LOL!
He gets free tuition because he was adopted.
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:55 AM
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Well, he says Business, or Engineering, or Nursing, LOL!
He gets free tuition because he was adopted.
No kidding , thats Awesome . Good Job Fish . Nursing = NP or CRNA($) .
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Your son is correct, he can drop from DEP. If he wants to enlist later he still can, it will probably come up with whoever the new recruiter is, and your son can just say "I had some family things going on, that situation is fixed, I'm ready to go now". His current recruiter is probably livid pissed because he just lost a quota, wasted time with your son, and the recruiters boss is pissed off about it as well. Your son did nothing wrong.
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