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humpinit 07-11-2018 05:47 AM

Quit Drinking
 
Lost 10 pounds in one week and have so much more energy and clarity.
Went to my first party for my friends daugheters birthday and stayed sober the entire time and realized how idiotic my friends looked and sounded. That has been me for 25 years. It may be me again.
I would drink at least two beers a day and on at least one or two of those days in a week, I would drink til passing out.

And the only reason I decided to quit was how sick I got a couple of Sundays back. It was a normal weekend. It started on Thursday night with a couple of margaritas celebrating me getting my belt promotion in BJJ. Then Friday was 6 to 8 beers one or two were 10%. No issues so far, Saturday was a normal day working around the house drinking maybe a 12 pack by night time. Sunday started smoking a bunch of fish with a buddy and we started drinking at 11AM. We only drank 2 12 packs by 6PM and I decided to go to another friends house to drop off fish. Decided to drink her last beer, then killed two bottles of wine.
I donít remember much of how I got home. I heard later that my son woke me up in the front yard at 11PM.
At some time during the night I puked all over the room and bathroom. I missed work for the first time in a very long time. I was so sick that I couldnít eat for three days. I hurt so bad to swallow that I could barely get water down.

I lied and told everyone that I had food poisoning but I am sure it was alcohol poisoning.

No Iím trying to make excuses for having a few this upcoming weekend fishing trip.

Not sure if I can just have a few. Not sure if I want to.

Anyone relate to this?

schoolsout1 07-11-2018 05:52 AM

I'll drink to that!

Congrats, though..I've slowed down a good bit, lately.

LIP_PIERCER 07-11-2018 05:59 AM

The first step is always the hardest.
Been where you are.
I always thought I was in control of my drinking until I wasn't.
Decided to leave that stuff behind. 31 years and counting.
Good luck!!!!

mskin314 07-11-2018 06:04 AM

nothing wrong having a few here and there, but if you do it everyday and drink till passing out, you have a problem.

What works for me is I only drink on weekends, and max for me is 6 beers, Thats enough for me catch a nice buzz, but not enough to have any issues the next day.

Also, no daytime drinking for me. I get my chores done during the day and spend quality time with the family. My cold brews are kind of a reward for a successful work week or getting chores done during the weekend.

Best of Luck

rocksandblues 07-11-2018 06:05 AM

Good for you! Keep at it

I hate getting drunk, so I only have a couple drinks.

Right now i want to lose 5lbs ahead of a beach trip with friends. Have not had even one drink for a week.
It is AMAZING how much sugar=lbs alcohol has in it. Been easy to lose and feel so much more energetic and sharp.

Sugar ( a la drinking or anything) really is a poison

steve a59 07-11-2018 06:07 AM

You'll be none the worse off by not drinking but if you're making excuses for drinking this weekend probably not much will change. Good luck with whatever you do.

YFMF 07-11-2018 06:10 AM

Sorry but there is everything wrong with having a few here or there. You (the op) are a functioning alcoholic an need to realize and accept that. AA might be in line for a call . All the best

RollerCoastr 07-11-2018 06:14 AM

A few years ago I was concerned about my consumption. To prove a point to myself, I stopped drinking for a month. I kept it on the DL. I made "mocktails" of club soda and a lime and "drank" with everyone else like I always had. I felt better, and yes, saw how dumb drunk people can appear to a sober person. I didn't lose a damn pound, unfortunately. (I was probably substituting snacks for alcohol)

Partying and regular routines were easy. Eating/dining was not. Show me a mocktail sitting next to a hot pizza, and I'll show you a sad dude who's dreaming of beer. Same thing with a nice steak or Italian dinner without wine... That sucked.

On Day 31, I had a beer, and I could feel it! I was amazed how fast I lost my tolerance. It was actually kind of scary. I should do a repeat, but for longer next time...

jheiii 07-11-2018 06:18 AM

That weight will keep coming off too, and you'll stay feeling energized. Stay strong man! :thumbsup: Oh, and if you don't like vegetables there are these juices now that you can drink... ah nevermind, you'll see. hahahaha

JFranklin 07-11-2018 06:28 AM

If your kid is waking you up in the yard, you have a problem regardless of the time. Quit for 30 days and see how much better you feel

KJS 07-11-2018 06:32 AM

^^^^^ Yep, 30 day minimum seems to really reset the brain. Good for you on your decision to quit and best of luck to you.

Rolandt03 07-11-2018 06:41 AM

from a medical stand point,

1) good for you! that is a tough accomplishment on your own.
2) most likely you are not ready to have an occasional drink and most likely will revert back to the old ways after just 1-2 drinks
3) to much alcohol is hell on the the heart just as much as the liver
4) this is your body telling you it cant take it anymore. listen to your body
5) after several months, it is possible to attempt 1-2 social drinks but you need to be very cautious and strict on yourself or you will relapse. once an addiction problem is in place, it is always there, just a matter of how controlled it is.

Marlin308 07-11-2018 06:45 AM

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son". - Dean Wormer

triumphrick 07-11-2018 06:51 AM

For those who say no problem, one or two here and there will never hurt you......have no understanding of what goes through a drinkers mind when that first drink hits your throat....

For the OP...good on you. Only you will know how out of control your drinking was. All of us are wired differently......and the effect of alcohol is different for each of us.

somethingfishy 07-11-2018 06:51 AM

YOU should stop permanently. Sounds like you are on the road to medical problems from which there may be no return. You owe it to your kids.

Lprizman 07-11-2018 07:01 AM

I may join the club....not there yet mentally

Wavehight 07-11-2018 07:02 AM

Waking up in the yard is pretty bad, but you already know that. I have been drinking pretty hard since college. I am 40. I watched alcohol ruin my parents marriage when I was in high school. Years later my dad remarried and they were both alcoholics. I watched my step mom die in hospice at 60 years old from cirrhosis. It was ugly. I thought that would straighten my dad out. It made him drink more until his problem got so bad he took his own life. Did that make me quit? No. It made me drink more. This happened back in october of 2017. I knew I had to stop but whenever I would not drink for a day the withdrawal was rough. Couldn't sleep, cold sweats at night, etc. I could feel it wearing on my health but would keep going back to the bottle.

I have a good life. I have an amazing five year old son, an ex wife I am close with (no baby mama drama at all), nice things, financially stable, a great group of friends, etc. Despite all that and me telling myself I will never put my son through what my dad did to me (he was a good man and always there for me, no abuse at all, it was just watching his demise that was so painful), yet I kept drinking. Two weeks ago I woke up at 3am with agonizing pain in my side. I could barely move and I was about to call an ambulance bc there was no way I could drive myself to the ER. Eventually the pain subsided and I was able to sleep. It scared the shit out of me. I thought I was going to die.

I took myself to the doc in the morning. They did blood and urine tests. I told the doctor how much I drink and to look at the liver results. When the tests came back the next day they called me and had me come in for a visit. The doc sat me down and said the pain was more than likely a kidney stone I passed and my kidney function was fine. I knew there was more to it than that. Thats when he looked at me and smacked his hand on the table and said "if you keep drinking like this your liver will be as hard as this table." I responded "yes, I know it will kill me." He replied "Wrong. It is killing you."

The week prior I went to venice to go fishing and I only drank one day out of five and the withdrawals weren't too bad so I knew I could do it. The doc said there is no shame in getting help, and son, you need it. He didn't sugar coat it. He wasn't mean either. He was telling me what I already knew. I am a stubborn fucker and I told myself this is it. I'm done. I went home and poured out the booze and I haven't had a drop of alcohol in two weeks.

I am not sharing this as a "look at me" or looking for praise. I made it up in my mind that day that I was done with booze. This time I told my close friends. They all knew I had a problem with it, but it was never "a problem" in that I was not a violent drunk and never got in trouble from drinking. I did some dumb shit through the years but it never bit me, legally atleast. The reason I told my friends was for myself to hold me accountable to them and me, but what was surprising was how supportive they were in my decision. It shouldn't have come as surprise, but it did.

The human mind is a powerful thing. Once you make up your mind to quit, it is not that hard. You have to adjust your habits which is hard. I'm only two weeks into this and I feel so much better. To those that don't have a drinking problem, this sounds very obvious and I realize that.

Good luck to anyone who is having a hard time with alcohol or any substance abuse. Alcohol is a motherfucker but it can be tamed.

Wavehight 07-11-2018 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Lprizman (Post 11599353)
I may join the club....not there yet mentally

Read my post below yours. I was in the exact same boat. The fear of not being able to drink literally scared me. Not having a headache in the morning and being able to remember the night before is a strange new feeling but its a good one.

tysdad115 07-11-2018 07:08 AM

A bit over 9 years without it here. I am not made for drinking, although I thought I was really good at it for a long time. The first drink is the one that ruins me..good luck to you OP.

t500hps 07-11-2018 07:12 AM

Happy for your new realization......now the hard part!

I high recommend AA meetings. (you likely don't know anyone who goes and there's a reason for that.....it's ANONYMOUS!)

The reason, the chemical depedency is only part of the struggle. Your social environment and the people in it are built around drinking. You'll soon find who your true "friends" are and it will surprise you how many do not want to associate with you so they don't have to confront their own excess drinking (or will pressure you to join in a drink with them). If you want to stop...STOP 100% and stay away from it for awhile. After a few months/years you may be able to be around alcohol again without issue but that's several steps down the road.

Note: I'm speaking from experience and have learned to cut-loose to the point I've been confronted at a winery for being "too drunk". My friends made the situation worse cause they knew I was the only sober driver in the group and though it was hilarious I was the one being confronted by the staff. (BTW: took years for me to get to the comfort level of being around drunks again!)

freedbaby 07-11-2018 07:20 AM

I commend you for getting to this decision on your own.

Good luck!

humpinit 07-11-2018 07:37 AM

Thanks for the support guys. I think I will refrain from drinking on this fishing trip. I already poured out all of the alcohol last week, no need to question my thinking from then.

Good luck to anyone suffering with this disease.

TonyStark 07-11-2018 07:38 AM

If anyone wants to tell me I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, I'll accept that...

Truth is I don't have an addiction problem... I drink maybe one drink a month...(If that)...Now, that wasn't always the case. When I was in HS and college, drinking was all part of the social atmosphere...and I drank to excess like most students on the weekends, etc...But what changed it for me was becoming a bartender.... Two things happened....One, I saw what drunk college students were really like on the other side of the bar...Two, I saw some bartenders were in the career because of their drinking habit...Neither thing appealed to me and it was an eye opener. So I was fortunate that very early I had an experience that turned me off to drinking much....That bartending job was a life lesson in human behavior... But, my point is, I could relate to what you were saying about being sober and seeing how others who were drunk were acting....The world is a great and very different place when you're not inebriated.

The second thing I wanted to mention is I watched a Tim Ferris podcast on addiction once and I found it very interesting. The guest was a psychiatrist, I think from Hungary, and he was discussing what he delt with with his own addictions and what he's learned over the years...Perhaps you might want to search and find the episode, it might help....Basically, his belief is if you want to stop an addiction you need to do the work and find out what in your childhood might be causing the behavior....In other words, don't just think you can focus on the drinking without looking at the possible underlying childhood causes behind it....Though, don't be thinking this is victimization type talk... Not like that at all....

Anyways, I jumped in here to offer support and good luck....You know the right thing to do and I wish you and others with the issue, well.

humpinit 07-11-2018 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by TonyStark (Post 11599521)
If anyone wants to tell me I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, I'll accept that...

Truth is I don't have an addiction problem... I drink maybe one drink a month...(If that)...Now, that wasn't always the case. When I was in HS and college, drinking was all part of the social atmosphere...and I drank to excess like most students on the weekends, etc...But what changed it for me was becoming a bartender.... Two things happened....One, I saw what drunk college students were really like on the other side of the bar...Two, I saw some bartenders were in the career because of their drinking habit...Neither thing appealed to me and it was an eye opener. So I was fortunate that very early I had an experience that turned me off to drinking much....That bartending job was a life lesson in human behavior... But, my point is, I could relate to what you were saying about being sober and seeing how others who were drunk were acting....The world is a great and very different place when you're not inebriated.

The second thing I wanted to mention is I watched a Tim Ferris podcast on addiction once and I found it very interesting. The guest was a psychiatrist, I think from Hungary, and he was discussing what he delt with with his own addictions and what he's learned over the years...Perhaps you might want to search and find the episode, it might help....Basically, his belief is if you want to stop an addiction you need to do the work and find out what in your childhood might be causing the behavior....In other words, don't just think you can focus on the drinking without looking at the possible underlying childhood causes behind it....Though, don't be thinking this is victimization type talk... Not like that at all....

Anyways, I jumped in here to offer support and good luck....You know the right thing to do and I wish you and others with the issue, well.


I recall listening to a podcast just like that a few months back. Maybe it was on Joe Rogans Podcast site.

Yeah, Iím sure there are some underlying issues going on. The only childhood memories I have of my dad are when he was beating the shit out of my mom or being beaten up by the police. Had the swat team at our house many of times throughout my childhood.. I on the other hand always swore that I would never be like him, and I havenít been anything like him accept for the drinking part. He was an angry drunk and I am a happy go lucky pervert drunk. I was functioning and have raised two decent kids so far. I am 44 years old and I want to be in better or same shape in another ten years.

Thanks for the reminder of that podcast. I need to look it up.

JCC123 07-11-2018 07:49 AM

15 years for me.
I am totally happy with that choice and would never look back.

dkknaebel 07-11-2018 07:49 AM

Well hell, I'll jump in on this as well. I had noticed that my drinking was getting excessive. Had been kinda easing towards really restricting myself, and really only drank on Friday or Saturday but most times, I'd be missing the end of the evening and I'd look at the empties and pray it was part of my husband's collection. Low point for me was July 3rd. Woke up on his side of the bed and him asking why I had to sleep there. No clue. It was all gone in my memory. Had been monkeying around with the idea of switching to a ketogenic diet and that made my decision for me. Spent my first 4th of July in 21 years sober as a judge and I had a blast. Had a helluva hangover too. But then I made it through this past weekend, even going out on the boat and coming back and cleaning it. And it's amazing to wake up on Sunday morning with no hangover. I come from alcoholics. I thought because I was just drinking on the weekends, I didn't have a problem. I do. I was functioning but not really. So I'm not drinking a drop for 30 days. Then I'll see where I am. But I know I'm never going back to blackouts. I saw my mom relapse and it scared the shit out of me at age 39. And I don't want to continue the cycle with my kid. OP- You got this. I suggest checking out some of the sparkling waters out there. They have them sugar free, they taste great, they have no artificial shit and it will feel like you are drinking a fancy drink. You got this! I commend everyone else who has gotten sober.

WPBTH 07-11-2018 07:57 AM

Good thing is the body can repair its self. Try some water and a workout routine. Good luck to you

Fish Haid 07-11-2018 07:58 AM

Quit drinking for 30 days now. I had surgery for broken leg on 6/15, and got hammered on 6/13. Didn't feel like drinking after surgery for some reason. Still don't. Probably because of cast on my leg. Alcohol makes me have energy, and I have to sit around now (no weight allowed on leg). I have been sleeping much better (and more). Eating a bit more probably. Definitely less active. Weight has not changed I don't think.

I know I will start again after I get active, or when I go to biker convention on 8/5. Scheduled for a physical with blood work just before that. Last time I quite was 4 years ago due to illness, and that lasted 6 weeks.

humpinit 07-11-2018 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by dkknaebel (Post 11599581)
Well hell, I'll jump in on this as well. I had noticed that my drinking was getting excessive. Had been kinda easing towards really restricting myself, and really only drank on Friday or Saturday but most times, I'd be missing the end of the evening and I'd look at the empties and pray it was part of my husband's collection. Low point for me was July 3rd. Woke up on his side of the bed and him asking why I had to sleep there. No clue. It was all gone in my memory. Had been monkeying around with the idea of switching to a ketogenic diet and that made my decision for me. Spent my first 4th of July in 21 years sober as a judge and I had a blast. Had a helluva hangover too. But then I made it through this past weekend, even going out on the boat and coming back and cleaning it. And it's amazing to wake up on Sunday morning with no hangover. I come from alcoholics. I thought because I was just drinking on the weekends, I didn't have a problem. I do. I was functioning but not really. So I'm not drinking a drop for 30 days. Then I'll see where I am. But I know I'm never going back to blackouts. I saw my mom relapse and it scared the shit out of me at age 39. And I don't want to continue the cycle with my kid. OP- You got this. I suggest checking out some of the sparkling waters out there. They have them sugar free, they taste great, they have no artificial shit and it will feel like you are drinking a fancy drink. You got this! I commend everyone else who has gotten sober.

The coming home after a long boat day and cleaning the boat!!! I would always put it off til the next day. Not anymore. LOL

1blueheron 07-11-2018 08:17 AM

Hats off to you for facing your issues and your fears before they endangered you or killed someone else. I would encourage you to go alcohol free. There are a multitude of reasons to do it and all you need to do is pick one or two as a motivator.
1. Heart health
2. Liver health
3. Mental clarity
4. Weight loss
5. Financial benefit
6. Self respect
7. Respect of others
8. Safety of yourself
9. Safety of others
10. An example to your children/grandchildren

I would choose financial benefit as it is the most tangible immediately. Every time you are tempted to take a drink, put the cost of that drink in a jar. You will be surprised how quickly it adds up. Focus on that savings and set goals for a purchase as a reward for your abstaining. If you slip and take a drink, all the money comes out of the jar and goes to a charity and you have to start over.

Best wishes in your pursuits of sobriety. Don't be afraid to seek help from friends and/or professionals.

You are ahead of the curve as most people drinking at the level you were have to really hit bottom

triumphrick 07-11-2018 08:21 AM

Having a crappy childhood has nothing to do with the fact one is an alcoholic or not. What it can do is screw with your head enough that it gives you the "right" to have another drink.

That's all most drunks need. Just a reason, any reason....an excuse to start. And once the alcohol hits the system and the obsession and compulsion starts...then we are off and running. And once that buzz starts, all the other shit we prayed for and promised that we would never do is off the table. Be it drugs, women, gambling, food....

Again, remember no two of us are ever alike when it comes to our addictions....Your experience is just another version of a bad story.

ono loco 07-11-2018 08:22 AM

I did a 30 day detox a few years ago to see if I could do it. I did and it felt good. BTW I still went to the bars with my buddies but did as suggested and hit the "mocktails".. Good luck too you..

Also - having a kid at 45 will kill your desire to wake up hungover...daddy daddy daddy...:grin:

TonyStark 07-11-2018 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by humpinit (Post 11599555)



I recall listening to a podcast just like that a few months back. Maybe it was on Joe Rogans Podcast site.

Yeah, Iím sure there are some underlying issues going on. The only childhood memories I have of my dad are when he was beating the shit out of my mom or being beaten up by the police. Had the swat team at our house many of times throughout my childhood.. I on the other hand always swore that I would never be like him, and I havenít been anything like him accept for the drinking part. He was an angry drunk and I am a happy go lucky pervert drunk. I was functioning and have raised two decent kids so far. I am 44 years old and I want to be in better or same shape in another ten years.

Thanks for the reminder of that podcast. I need to look it up.

I just want to say I think you're a rock star for self assessing yourself....It's not easy to be introspective, and I think that's half the battle....Sounds to me like you already know what might have lead you down this rabbit hole and that's awesome (I do not use that word often)....The beauty of life is you don't have to be one of those people that play the victim to the past or circumstances... You search out the issues to become aware and overcome the negative behavior patterns...As far as I know, we only have one life and you can make tomorrow anything you want....I know one thing for sure, you're kids will respect it....knocking off the drinking, eating healthy, working out is a lifestyle that's enjoyable and easier than most people think....Best of luck to you....

Saltybrad 07-11-2018 08:42 AM

I'm on day 25 today myself. I enjoyed drinking IPA's and would average six per day. My blood work would come back in terrible shape.
My tryglyceride's were over 1500. The doctor said I was at high risk for a sudden cardiac episode. The Sunday after a long fishing trip, I drank my last beer. Luckily my girlfriend joined in on this sabbatical. The withdrawals were bizarre. I would actually become very absent minded and spacey without those drinks. That is starting to subside now.
I have been on a couple fishing trips and found the actual fishing part was much more rewarding. I think I am done for good.

SEATOAD 07-11-2018 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by humpinit (Post 11599002)
I lied and told everyone that I had food poisoning but I am sure it was alcohol poisoning.

And how! You had 50+ drinks in just a couple days. Your liver was crying uncle. Quitting drinking is hard. I have done it and then just gone back to drinking again many times. Seems like every time I quit for a while, when I ultimately start drinking again its less than before. I only drink lite beer now when I drink. I also fake people out with Becks lite non alcoholic when Im in a situation where I know people are going to be drinking a lot more than I want to be drinking. No one ever notices because its in a coozy.

Boat Bum 07-11-2018 09:27 AM

In the most respectful way, to those who want to prove a point by abstaining for a month, you are only proving you can stop drinking for a month. Trying to limit or control your drinking suggests you feel it's a problem. Most people who do this will be back to drinking the way they were within a month only this time with a false sense of security. I have a little experience with this and haven't had a drop of alcohol in over nine years.

Best of luck to anyone struggling with their alcohol consumption.

MAXIMUM B 07-11-2018 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by Boat Bum (Post 11599988)
In the most respectful way, to those who want to prove a point by abstaining for a month, you are only proving you can stop drinking for a month. Trying to limit or control your drinking suggests you feel it's a problem. Most people who do this will be back to drinking the way they were within a month only this time with a false sense of security. I have a little experience with this and haven't had a drop of alcohol in over nine years.

Best of luck to anyone struggling with their alcohol consumption.


Spot on! Dry Drunk Syndrome. Abstaining is good. But the underlying reasons are still there.

louiefl 07-11-2018 10:24 AM

Glad to see that you have identified your drinking as a problem. I used to put a few back and had more than a handful of rough mornings, but changed all that after I divorced my first wife. My ex thought her level of drinking just suited her fine, but I grew sick and tired of all the crap that went along with her handle of Bacardi, several bottles of wine and 12-pack of beer in a typical week. After 15 years of making excuses for and enabling her drinking, I walked out of the marriage. In the 20 years since, her life has made a serious downward spiral and her health is shot - looks like she's in her 70's not 50's. I have a 2 drink limit, if I am drinking, which keeps me below DUI thresholds and from waking up with regrets. I have no problem being around people that drink all day, I'm just not going to join them in drinking - I found out that I don't necessarily need to keep up with them beer for beer.

Sometimes it doesn't matter if you think you drink too much, it is what others think - you don't have to be around you, they do. If there is a chance that someone close to you has had enough of your drinking and don't care if they walk out of your life, then I guess you don't have a problem. Hang in there!

seadubya 07-11-2018 11:07 AM

Very good topic, and it's good that you see the issue and sharing. I believe lots of folks find it hard to admit their dependencies (alcohol, tobacco, scripts, food, etc). It's embarrassing, difficult to control at times, and hurts others around us. It makes those with the ut-most integrity look bad at times. And we all want to be seen in a good light. Realizing our problems is the first step. Motivation and planning is not to be underestimated if you want to abstain. Very easy to pick it back up without filling the void with something. When you're ready to quit, take that pissed-off-at-yourself feeling and use it to find things to help cope with urges and triggers (friends, family, work, goals, chores, hobbies, travel, Judo, fishing, etc). Like others have said, it gets easier with time.

RollerCoastr 07-11-2018 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Boat Bum (Post 11599988)
In the most respectful way, to those who want to prove a point by abstaining for a month, you are only proving you can stop drinking for a month. Trying to limit or control your drinking suggests you feel it's a problem. Most people who do this will be back to drinking the way they were within a month only this time with a false sense of security. I have a little experience with this and haven't had a drop of alcohol in over nine years.

Best of luck to anyone struggling with their alcohol consumption.

In the least-defensive way, that's all I was trying to prove with my dry month. I hear your points and agree with them. I was also experimenting to see what the impact would be on weight. I'm sure it was a flawed experiment. I've seen drug addicts and smokers to try abstain and fail miserably, so I thought I'd apply the same challenge to myself with alcohol.

I wound up with a strange realization. I like the taste and "habit" of drinking, and maybe enjoy a buzz just enough to "take the edge off" of a hard day, but I do NOT enjoy being drunk. With my regular routine of drinking, I don't get drunk, but after the abstinence I felt drunk after two.


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