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Old 07-05-2018, 05:34 PM
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Son is 16 years old. He is a good kid, straight A student and on the football team. He has his D/L for 4 months. In FL, they have a GDL system. Graduated Driver Licensing. at 16, the law states not supposed to drive between the hours of 11 PM and 6 AM. At 17, not supposed to drive between 1 AM and 5 AM. Does anyone know what the penalty is if a young driver is caught? Let's say caught at midnight, on the way home from a movie - no other moving violation or accident?

It seems that none of his friend's parents friends enforce it. wife and I are having a difference of opinion. I say no - the law is the law and he should not knowingly violate it; certainly not with our blessing. she says, just this one time. he and some friends were supposed to meet at the movie, but they waited too long to buy the tickets and the 8 PM shows is sold out, but they have tickets for the 10 PM. theater is about 4 miles from house.
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He can always say he's going home from work if it's past the curfew.
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Not sure about FL but here in SC we have the GDL as well, there are restrictions on the times they can drive alone (basically 8am to 8pm daylight savings time and 8am to 6pm winter hours )

In SC the restrictions drop after having GDL for 1 full year with NO moving violations or when they turn 17

My understanding is there is a fine for driving after those hours, not a a moving violation. However may want to ask your Insurance company WHAT IF, they can balk if kid does something stupid

I have one LEO that works part time in my teen driving school, she is first to admit they have more to worry about than that BUT if a kid is speeding, wreckless driving, has an accident etc they will take it on to that but they are not going to waste time pulling someone over to see IF they have a GDL

Also in SC once they are 16 they can get a waiver for school activities and work to drive after those hours


However I will say this, at the end of the day there is a VERY GOOD REASON we have these GDL's, what are you teaching your teen (regardless of how good he is) that the laws that are here for everyone's protection are to be taken with a grain of salt
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Nothing good happens after 11 on the road. Have them Uber don't condone conduct

you know is unlawful it will not lead to anything good. P.s. hope you have an umbrella policy.
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He can always say he's going home from work if it's past the curfew.
You usually want a note from an employer.
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Being home at 11 isn't unreasonable for a 16 year old.
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Take him and the friends yourself.

Allowing him to break the law sets a precedent you don't want to set.
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Consider your insurance if you allow him to drive outside his restrictions and he gets caught. An officers ticket is one thing, but your DMV might call him in for a review and suspend him for a bit, or just extend the restrictions longer than previously scheduled. Do you want to lose that freedom altogether and go back to driving Miss Daisy status?
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That seems to be the discussion. 11pm is almost always after dark in most of this country.
If he cannot confirm to the conditions of his privileged but limited drivers license, what other contracts, agreements, or deals will he break?
Speed Limits, Drugs. Debts. All bad habits aren’t they.
Even I am smart enough to repeat the old sold out show stunt since it worked. Just another excuse.

If he gets caught there will be a computer record somewhere. If there is an accident, well that is a slam dunk even if he is not at fault.
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At the risk of sounding like an old fart . . . A lot of what’s wrong with society is illustrated by this question. Which can be restated as follows: Is it ok to teach my teenager that the law doesn’t apply to him because everybody else’s parents let them, it’s only a few miles, and getting caught will only be a fine?

Build a young man of character - Obey the law - call Uber.
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Dang. Kids are wussies these days. lol. 16 and not out past 11??
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Why are you asking on THT, it should be in the drivers license handbook. What is the penalty, can he lose his license
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Originally Posted by z3axv View Post
He can always say he's going home from work if it's past the curfew.
Never to young to teach them to LIE !
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Originally Posted by flyau98 View Post
Take him and the friends yourself.

Allowing him to break the law sets a precedent you don't want to set.
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At the risk of sounding like an old fart . . . A lot of what’s wrong with society is illustrated by this question. Which can be restated as follows: Is it ok to teach my teenager that the law doesn’t apply to him because everybody else’s parents let them, it’s only a few miles, and getting caught will only be a fine?

Build a young man of character - Obey the law - call Uber.
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Why are you asking on THT, it should be in the drivers license handbook. What is the penalty, can he lose his license
don't you think I did that first? I was unable to find anything about what the penalty would be, but honestly, that was only a side issue.

I drove him and picked him up after.
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I was caught around midnight when I was 16, couldn't drive after 9 p.m. in North Carolina

They called my parents and informed them that I was out, and my parents had to come take control of the vehicle, and give my friends a ride home.
It did not help that I had snuck out that night.

No ticket or anything since my parents came, and they didn't pay any attention/find the green stuff that I had hidden

That being said... my parents were not too thrilled.
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When in doubt... go full out.
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don't you think I did that first? I was unable to find anything about what the penalty would be, but honestly, that was only a side issue.
322.16 License restrictions.—
(1)(a) The department, upon issuing a driver license, may, whenever good cause appears, impose restrictions suitable to the licensee’s driving ability with respect to the type of special mechanical control devices required on a motor vehicle that the licensee may operate, including, but not limited to, restricting the licensee to operating only vehicles equipped with air brakes, or imposing upon the licensee such other restrictions as the department determines are appropriate to assure the safe operation of a motor vehicle by the licensee.(b) The department may further impose other suitable restrictions on use of the license with respect to time and purpose of use, including, but not limited to, a restriction providing for intrastate operation only, or may impose any other condition or restriction that the department considers necessary for driver improvement, safety, or control of drivers in this state.(c) The department may further, at any time, impose other restrictions on the use of the license with respect to time and purpose of use or may impose any other condition or restriction upon recommendation of any court, of the Florida Commission on Offender Review, or of the Department of Corrections with respect to any individual who is under the jurisdiction, supervision, or control of the entity that made the recommendation.(d) The department may impose a restriction upon the use of the license requiring that the licensee wear a medical identification bracelet when operating a motor vehicle. Medical identification bracelet restrictions must be coded on the license of the restricted operator. There is no penalty for violating this paragraph.
(2) A person who holds a driver license and who is under 17 years of age, when operating a motor vehicle after 11 p.m. and before 6 a.m., must be accompanied by a driver who holds a valid license to operate the type of vehicle being operated and is at least 21 years of age unless that person is driving directly to or from work.(3) A person who holds a driver license who is 17 years of age, when operating a motor vehicle after 1 a.m. and before 5 a.m., must be accompanied by a driver who holds a valid license to operate the type of vehicle being operated, and is at least 21 years of age unless that person is driving directly to or from work.(4) The department may, upon receiving satisfactory evidence of any violation of the restriction upon such a license, except a violation of paragraph (1)(d), subsection (2), or subsection (3), suspend or revoke the license, but the licensee is entitled to a hearing as upon a suspension or revocation under this chapter.(5) It is a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person to operate a motor vehicle in any manner in violation of the restrictions imposed under paragraph (1)(c).(6) Any person who operates a motor vehicle in violation of the restrictions imposed under paragraph (1)(a), paragraph (1)(b), subsection (2), or subsection (3) will be charged with a moving violation and fined in accordance with chapter 318.


It's a moving traffic violation. You would have to call in your county. Here, most moving violations, except for designated speeds, are $166.
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Stupid thing happen to me and a friend. I was at a party and drinking so I didn't want to drive home. My ride wasn't ready to leave so I called a friend who was 17 (I was over 21) who was willing to pick me up. We went through a DUI check point and HE GOT A TICKET! Said I was drinking and didnt constitute being a 21 year old. I felt bad and paid for his ticket.
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what are you teaching your teen (regardless of how good he is) that the laws that are here for everyone's protection are to be taken with a grain of salt
That may be true with many laws - but 99% of them that are revenue grabs, it isn't so. In NY to make a right on red you are supposed to come to a complete stop before the stop line, wait 3 seconds and the proceed if traffic is clear - three seconds is a mighty long time, and even a moron can figure whether it is safe to turn in less than a second, but if you don't stop for at least 3 seconds, you will get a $165 ticket from the red light camera Nazi's. In fact, one camera ticketed 33,000+ violators at one intersection (it is actually a right turn into the biggest mall in the area) in 2016 for not waiting 3 full seconds - and there was not 1 single accident as a result of turning right after red at that intersection.
It becomes tough to teach your kids that all laws are for a valid reason when the governments start passing laws just to make a financial windfall. I have the same issue with speed cameras in NYC - they arbitrarily lowered the speed limits on most 4, 6 and 8 lane roads to 25 or 30 mph from the 35-50 mph they had been for decades, in the name of "safety" just before they installed speed cameras - as you can imagine, the revenue stream is enormous.
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