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Old 07-05-2018, 05:32 PM
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Default Opinion needed, breaking a verbal contract.

My boss gave me a raise on the premise that I would give him 2 years of work. Now (10 months later) I have a job offer I canít refuse.

how do I go about leaving, we have a verbal contract, nothing is written, I know Iím doing him wrong, but working there has gotten much worse, and I canít refuse the job I have.

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Old 07-05-2018, 05:34 PM
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Impractical to give him back the raise money? I admire you for at least asking THT for some ideas before moving on.
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:38 PM
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A man's word should be his bond; breaking it always seems to come back to haunt you. Offer to to pay the money back, whatever was the "above and beyond" for the two year promise and put it in writing. Or, be prepared to live with the rep of not being a stand-up guy.
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:43 PM
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A man's as good as his word, but putting that aside, if there's nothing written, I'd approach him and explain you've got a new unforseen opportunity that you want to pursue and ask if there is anything you can do to make it right by him.

Somewhat depends on your relationship with him and the level of "corporate" involved as well. If a strong personal relationship, that's difficult. If corporate, adios muchacho!
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:44 PM
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"I hereby tender my resignation from XYZ Co., effective July 20, 2018.
Regards,
Jayson"
Thats dated to hand in tomorrow.

If the guy you promised is a friend, I doubt he'll blame you for moving up, although expect to,be reminded of the broken promise.
If the guy is not a friend, well, .....
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:05 PM
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So in some states a verbal agreement can be a law abiding contract. It is however his word against yours but you have readily admitted the agreement to THT. That being said I have a friend who just went thru this very thing. Except his was in writing. His new company "sold" 25% of his work load back to the original company.

In English company B hires said guy from company A. Company B has a legal binding agreement with company A to allow 25% of the employees day to be dedicated to them. Until. ....

Be upfront honesty is always the best policy
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:09 PM
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This has happened to me numerous times as many agencies or larger companies can offer things that a smaller company usually can not and that has a lot of appeal to a young kid starting out. It always leaves me with a feeling of being back stabbed when I take a kid that doesn't know how to take out the garbage and turn him or her into a working professional who knows the trade, and then get kicked to the side the moment they get that other call. Sometimes they just quit calling and showing up for work. Usually they at least call and tell me. Sometimes they have the decency of doing it face to face but not often.

If you made an agreement with the guy and accepted the raise based on that condition, that's on you pal. You can meet with him privately, explain your position, and ask what you could do to make it half way right. He's probably going to tell you to pack your stuff and don't come back, and to make it right you can go screw yourself. Your probably not going to be happy there now though no matter what happens so just go ahead and break your word and do what you want.
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:18 PM
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A couple of years ago, I promised my boss that I wouldn't retire until Spring of next year
Corporate came around last Winter and offered buyouts to everyone over 60
I sat down with my boss and he agreed that it was too good to pass up

Talk to him, be up front. He may let you out of the promise
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:29 PM
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If I made a promise I would keep it; you have to decide what works for you.
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:31 PM
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The deal sounds to me like a payment over the agreement term, with amounts paid already earned. Not like you got a bonus pmt or tuition reimbursement.
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jace1022 View Post
My boss gave me a raise on the premise that I would give him 2 years of work. Now (10 months later) I have a job offer I canít refuse.

how do I go about leaving, we have a verbal contract, nothing is written, I know Iím doing him wrong, but working there has gotten much worse, and I canít refuse the job I have.

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What you havenít said is how you got a job offer.
Why did you even entertain a conversation?
You supposedly made a commitment for two years, so you shouldnít even be discussing it with the new prospect.

Paints your commitment pretty clearly.
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:40 PM
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First decide if you really want the new gig. Grass is greener kind of thing. Then I'd talk to the boss, man to man, explain the offer. Ask him what he would do under the circumstances. Here's the catch: You do this and after the 2 years expires you are essentially in a new job anyway. For me, it would take a 30% increase plus extras (co vehicle, more vaca, etc) to even consider a move.

On the other hand, no employer should offer a raise contingent on a term contract. That's bad business. What if you are injured? What if the business is sold? Two sides to the coin here.

Good luck.
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:44 PM
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I am no corporate kind of guy.

Hell Im not really even a job kind of guy.

I would stay though. A man is only as good as his word. In reality, what else is there to judge a man by? Not much.

If I shake a man's hand and make a deal with him, I will climb mountains to keep my word. You have to look at yourself in the mirror.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:02 PM
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Question: would new job be in competition or closely related industry with your current job.

If not sit down and talk to your boss. Explain to him it is an unexpected opportunity, and you want to do right by him, and make it a smooth transition.

If you would be in competition or closely related, pass it up. If bless boss is just a corporate shill, and was blowing Smoke to get you to take on extra bs.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:14 PM
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Take it if you like the offer. There is no loyalty with companies anymore, from employee or employer.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:15 PM
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So, I have a boss's perspective.

I don't really like the original premise of "I will give you a raise if you stay for two years." I think if you deserve a raise, it shouldn't come with artificial handcuffs, but that is the deal you were given and the deal you made. Now, were there any other issues involved? I mean, were you given any special training, or did the company invest in you in other ways? Or was this just a way to handcuff you?

In my Field, we can take on trainees out of school. They have a 2 year training program before they can take their exams. I recently had a trainee that I had a verbal agreement with. I explained that I did not want to invest not only my time, but a salary in someone unless they were going to stay on long term. In the end, this person decided to leave. I did not pursue any legal action, but it did not sit well with me. I am better off, in the end, so am glad from a business standpoint, but I lost a lot of respect and learned some lessons. I won't train anyone again as people are not reliable enough. Just not worth my time and money to take a risk like that.
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Unfortunately in the job market today companies have no loyalty to their employees either. You need to do what is best for your family.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:19 PM
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I suspect his idea was to keep you from asking for annual raises, rather than a non compete clause? You say the job isn't the same, are there tangible differences in what you signed up for or is it just "mood"?
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Look into at will employment. If it pertains to you, your present employer can terminate you at anytime.

BTW, what was the percent raise are we talking about here?
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jace1022 View Post
My boss gave me a raise on the premise that I would give him 2 years of work. Now (10 months later) I have a job offer I canít refuse.

how do I go about leaving, we have a verbal contract, nothing is written, I know Iím doing him wrong, but working there has gotten much worse, and I canít refuse the job I have.

Thanks all,
Jayson
One thing I learned quickly years ago, They ask you for a two week notice when you quit but they NEVER give you a two week notice when they need you gone.
Leave it and never look back. A job offer so good you just cant refuse is just that. Dont refuse it cause too many times people will turn it down only to lose the current job months later
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