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Old 07-10-2018, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jace1022 View Post
Things are going sour. Yesterday I was off for my mother’s birthday party. Today I got to work and my boss came to me and said “I’m cutting your pay for the last two weeks that you worked and the next two weeks while you’re still here” from $30/hr to $22/hr.

today is the last day of the pay period that started on June 27th. I didn’t think he would do this...

any advice? Just eat it and deal with it? Tell him I can’t work for that rate and enjoy two weeks of vacation before I start my next job?
At the end of the day today, simply tell him you worked your last day and won’t be back.
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Old 07-10-2018, 02:25 PM
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Please update us on the final outcome.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:03 PM
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At the end of the day today, simply tell him you worked your last day and won’t be back.
Bingo. He is showing his true colors. I wouldn't return to work for that asshat.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:22 PM
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Isn’t he overlooking some illegal activities???? “I will take my last check at the $30hr rate and will be on my way. The alternative will cost you a bit more pain than you stealing $8hr will cause me”....
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:30 PM
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Isn’t he overlooking some illegal activities???? “I will take my last check at the $30hr rate and will be on my way. The alternative will cost you a bit more pain than you stealing $8hr will cause me”....
Haha - yep. There's always the extortion angle. That usually doesn't end well though.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:47 PM
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Haha - yep. There's always the extortion angle. That usually doesn't end well though.
Well, as a response to theft the gloves come off. Two things you don’t mess with, my family and my money. If you do then any means neccesary are in play..
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:14 PM
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Well, as a response to theft the gloves come off. Two things you don’t mess with, my family and my money. If you do then any means neccesary are in play..


That sword cuts both ways right? A 20 y/o with 2 yrs of college and limited experience isn't worth a raise from $17 to $30/hr? It was worth it to the employer to offer him the position with a verbal agreement the OP would stay on at least 2 years. As the OP posted, the owner had to deal with issues such as (for example) him under-bidding a job posting a fence next to a tree with a known extensive root system. That's the type of thing an experienced manager would have foreseen. Taking the time to train an inexperienced employee is expensive. When that employee renegs on that deal it not only doesn't allow the employer to recoup that loss (money), a threat of legal action threatens his family. Double edged sword no?
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:27 PM
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This whole thread is a scam - either that or the kid's a db
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This whole thread is a scam - either that or the kid's a db
nope just a hard working kid who made a decision a year ago and it’s come back to bite me in the ass. Why would I waste my time “scamming” people on here? There’s no monetary gain from “scamming” people on here.

Guess im a douchebag, sorry you think that of me meatdog, I’m sure in person we would get along very well.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:01 PM
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That sword cuts both ways right? A 20 y/o with 2 yrs of college and limited experience isn't worth a raise from $17 to $30/hr? It was worth it to the employer to offer him the position with a verbal agreement the OP would stay on at least 2 years. As the OP posted, the owner had to deal with issues such as (for example) him under-bidding a job posting a fence next to a tree with a known extensive root system. That's the type of thing an experienced manager would have foreseen. Taking the time to train an inexperienced employee is expensive. When that employee renegs on that deal it not only doesn't allow the employer to recoup that loss (money), a threat of legal action threatens his family. Double edged sword no?
Seems the boss was fine with it when they discussed him leaving. Now he has had a change of heart and wants to screw the kid. Should not have accepted the resignation if he did not want to let the kid out of his commitment (even though there are no legal grounds). It is illegal to lower someone’s rate of pay after the hours were worked. OP should do what is necessary to get the money he earned.
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That sword cuts both ways right? A 20 y/o with 2 yrs of college and limited experience isn't worth a raise from $17 to $30/hr? It was worth it to the employer to offer him the position with a verbal agreement the OP would stay on at least 2 years. As the OP posted, the owner had to deal with issues such as (for example) him under-bidding a job posting a fence next to a tree with a known extensive root system. That's the type of thing an experienced manager would have foreseen. Taking the time to train an inexperienced employee is expensive. When that employee renegs on that deal it not only doesn't allow the employer to recoup that loss (money), a threat of legal action threatens his family. Double edged sword no?
All I know is the owner never would have made that deal if it was not in his own interest.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:31 PM
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All I know is the owner never would have made that deal if it was not in his own interest.
And the OP wouldn't have agreed to it if it wasn't in his.
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Seems the boss was fine with it when they discussed him leaving. Now he has had a change of heart and wants to screw the kid. Should not have accepted the resignation if he did not want to let the kid out of his commitment (even though there are no legal grounds). It is illegal to lower someone’s rate of pay after the hours were worked. OP should do what is necessary to get the money he earned.
The boss proved to be a good guy. Later he realized how he was getting screwed paying an inexperienced young man more than he was worth hoping he would recoup that investment later. The OP started this thread knowing what he was doing was morally questionable. You feel there should be zero repercussions?
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Originally Posted by AlreadyThere View Post

That sword cuts both ways right? A 20 y/o with 2 yrs of college and limited experience isn't worth a raise from $17 to $30/hr? It was worth it to the employer to offer him the position with a verbal agreement the OP would stay on at least 2 years. As the OP posted, the owner had to deal with issues such as (for example) him under-bidding a job posting a fence next to a tree with a known extensive root system. That's the type of thing an experienced manager would have foreseen. Taking the time to train an inexperienced employee is expensive. When that employee renegs on that deal it not only doesn't allow the employer to recoup that loss (money), a threat of legal action threatens his family. Double edged sword no?

sir, you have one thing messed up, my boss does the pricing and “bidding” for Jobs. HE underbid it and when this “extensive” root system came about, HE got mad that it was taking longer, saying “this whole job is a loss” and storming off the job angrily.

I believe that you are insinuating that I was the one who bid the job, and costed my boss money. If my wording was a bit unclear in the post I mentioned that scenario in, I apologize.
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Old 07-10-2018, 06:00 PM
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If you haven't already, give your formal notice in writing first thing tomorrow morning. Effective immediately. Then go home and if you want you can call and see if you're able to start the other job sooner.
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The boss proved to be a good guy. Later he realized how he was getting screwed paying an inexperienced young man more than he was worth hoping he would recoup that investment later. The OP started this thread knowing what he was doing was morally questionable. You feel there should be zero repercussions?
The enforceability of the so called contract is highly questionable. The contract is not fully performed, nor is it possible in actuality or theory for the so called contract to be complete in under a year, making the validity of the agreement highly questionable.

Repercussions only result from valid agreements. Should this agreement not be valid, then no repercussions are warranted.
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The boss proved to be a good guy. Later he realized how he was getting screwed paying an inexperienced young man more than he was worth hoping he would recoup that investment later. The OP started this thread knowing what he was doing was morally questionable. You feel there should be zero repercussions?
If you pay more than what someone is worth than that is on you. At the time of the raise the kid was not inexperienced. He was running the crew for him. His experience was gained at a much lower rate of pay. Repercussions should have been discussed during their meeting when he was happy for the kid. You feel illegal repercussions are ok?
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I would go to work and work the same just as before . See how it goes for atleast a week , Your still making more than before your verbal agreement that you made saying you would not leave . He may even man up and give you your money at the end . And if not , he can't say you left him hanging and prove that you showed integrity despite breaking your verbal agreement . Don't burn this bridge and count your new chickens before they start laying . Training is easier anyway , you dig one hole and just supervise the next ones
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:47 PM
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I agree with above post liked, and I would ad, not being a lawyer mind you, him paying you the reduced amount and your accepting that amount puts something, albeit little, in writing that this verbal agreement had been modified, if it should ever come back to haunt you (which I extremely doubt it will).
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Originally Posted by Jace1022 View Post



sir, you have one thing messed up, my boss does the pricing and “bidding” for Jobs. HE underbid it and when this “extensive” root system came about, HE got mad that it was taking longer, saying “this whole job is a loss” and storming off the job angrily.

I believe that you are insinuating that I was the one who bid the job, and costed my boss money. If my wording was a bit unclear in the post I mentioned that scenario in, I apologize.
Hey bud, I wasn't insinuating I was just giving a hypothetical as you never provided those details. Hopefully you agree you were not as valuable to him at 20 as you would be at 22 after 2 years of experience as supervisor? You broke the deal and now so is he. His bad but not yours?
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