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Old 07-02-2018, 02:04 PM
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So let me start by saying I'm not a Jeep fan but my wife wants one and fell in love with a 2009 Wrangler X V6 pretty much loaded but has 90,000 miles on it. It has a 4" lift and big tires. I've been told the lift is not good and shortens the life of the drivetrain, which makes sense to me. It's in very good condition and we know the owner who bought it new. What are the watch outs.. and how do I talk my wife out of this?

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Originally Posted by Minnow View Post
So let me start by saying I'm not a Jeep fan but my wife wants one and fell in love with a 2009 Wrangler X V6 pretty much loaded but has 90,000 miles on it. It has a 4" lift and big tires. I've been told the lift is not good and shortens the life of the drivetrain, which makes sense to me. It's in very good condition and we know the owner who bought it new. What are the watch outs.. and how do I talk my wife out of this?

And I know pics of wife.... maybe..
The 3.8l motor is not a very good motor. We currently own a 2011 unlimited Sahara and it burns roughly 3 qts of oil in between oil changes. These motors are known for this. Also the radiators are know for leaks where the plastic is on the sides. The only other issue I've had was transmission line leaked. Other then those three things we haven't had any issues. We also have 3" lift with 35's on it.

With 90k already on the jeep I'd be picking that thing apart to make sure your getting one of the better 3.8l. Some people have had no problems with them others had motors replaced before 100k. The 3.8l is know for dry starts also which causes bearing failure. 2012 and newer came with the 3.6l which offers way more power and less headache. If you have anymore questions just ask.
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Originally Posted by Minnow View Post
So let me start by saying I'm not a Jeep fan but my wife wants one and fell in love with a 2009 Wrangler X V6 pretty much loaded but has 90,000 miles on it. It has a 4" lift and big tires. I've been told the lift is not good and shortens the life of the drivetrain, which makes sense to me. It's in very good condition and we know the owner who bought it new. What are the watch outs.. and how do I talk my wife out of this?

And I know pics of wife.... maybe..
If it has "big tires" on it, I would want to know if the gears were changed. Usually they are not and its really easy to tell. It will be a dog and get really poor fuel economy, maybe 12 mpg. Also, start it and listen for a ticking noise. It will sound like a valve but will likely be a leaking exhaust manifold that will need to be replaced.
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Old 07-02-2018, 02:19 PM
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Check the frame real good. Ask if they costed the frame.

Two wo types of Jeeps - those that have rusted, and those that will.
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I had a 2010 and had no problems with it. But that said I didn't have it past 90K either. That said, if she wants a Jeep get her a Jeep. They are sort of a cult vehicle and addictive. They are not practical but still... I want another one. They sort of grow on you. And the modifications get rather expensive but fun as well. Get her a Jeep. Maybe not that one... but get her one. She'll either grow out of love with the whole concept or be addicted.
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Get the automatic. We had a 2009 6 speed manual and it was fun using a shifter for approximately 5.25 miles......after that it sucked. We sold the jeep in the spring. The jeep is lifted .... Google " death wobble" FWIW.
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I leased a 2016 75th Anniv. 4 door. I can't wait until my lease is up. No major issues but endless small quality bs issues. It's in the shop every other month. Seatbelts stopped retracting after 6 months. Fuse issues. A/C ducting issues. Just tons of misc small parts break.
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I own three jeeps, it is an addiction as has been mentioned. All mine are standards and older (2 CJ's and 1 YJ) models. Would buy another if I found the right deal.

Lifting it does stress the drive train and steering system. Most likely has a CV Joint which helps though this will fail quicker than stock jeeps. Would suggest you take it to an alignment shop and have the front end checked over real good as the steering components take a beating with large tires. If they used it for mudding you need to look the frame over real close as they can develop cracks in addition to the rust issues. Look close at all body mounts as these are prone to rust out first.

These things are a life style, and your wife will learn quickly it she enjoys it. You may want to work a deal with the neighbor and let her drive it for a month, she will know if this is what she really wants by then. And be careful you don't get the bug as it can get expensive (Just Empty Every Pocket). If you buy it let me be the first to welcome you to the club.
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Old 07-02-2018, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Nardiellojitsu View Post
The 3.8l motor is not a very good motor. We currently own a 2011 unlimited Sahara and it burns roughly 3 qts of oil in between oil changes. These motors are known for this. Also the radiators are know for leaks where the plastic is on the sides. The only other issue I've had was transmission line leaked. Other then those three things we haven't had any issues. We also have 3" lift with 35's on it.

With 90k already on the jeep I'd be picking that thing apart to make sure your getting one of the better 3.8l. Some people have had no problems with them others had motors replaced before 100k. The 3.8l is know for dry starts also which causes bearing failure. 2012 and newer came with the 3.6l which offers way more power and less headache. If you have anymore questions just ask.
Great post! I have not had a Jeep since 1999 model with inline 6. Then CJ 7’s and 5’s going back to the 70’s.
I wouldn’t know which engine is good and bad, but your well written post answered my questions as well, thanks.
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and how do I talk my wife out of this?
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You already know the answer to this, so the only real question is which one are you going to buy.

I have a 2012 and a 2017 for the kids and wouldn't drive them everyday or on a long trip for anything. My recommendations: Jeep got a new engine in 2012, so look 2012 or after. Get a 4 door. Get an auto transmission. I like the hard top with T-tops vs. soft tops. Try to stay away from lift kits and big tires, BUT you can get new wheels and the biggest tires that work w/o a lift kit for the fun/cool factor.

I have to admit there is a novelty/fun factor with them and the wife would rather drive one of the Jeeps than her loaded high-end SUV and they (so far) have kept her from buying a G-Wagon (Kardashian/Housewife of anywhere wanna-be) so overall I'm a fan. Not a fan of the new 2018 styling
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Has the wife ridden in one on the highway? I guessing with that lift kit there are probably some tires that will make a lot of highway noise
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Great post! I have not had a Jeep since 1999 model with inline 6. Then CJ 7’s and 5’s going back to the 70’s.
I wouldn’t know which engine is good and bad, but your well written post answered my questions as well, thanks.
We owned a 2001 Wrangler before the 2011. In my honest opinion Jeep did a awful thing when they got rid of the 4.0. You could beat that motor all day long and never had any issues. There is a reason why the 3.8 only was used for 5 years in the jk.
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Actually the 3.6 had issues as well making people wish they still had the 3.8 so... there you go.
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I have a 2008 Sahara 4 door. 210K miles and no engine/drivetrain problems at all. The radiator does leak, but it is strange; leaks some, stops, leaks some more. Much better since I moved south. Without cold weather, radiator leak has improved. In colder weather, the air on drivers side never got as warm as the passenger side. Google it. Overall, the Jeep is doing very well, with no major problems whatsoever. I have had caliper lock up dragging on the rotors, fixed by replacing rotor and caliper. Rough riding on the highway, but awesome off road and on mountain trails.
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Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
Actually the 3.6 had issues as well making people wish they still had the 3.8 so... there you go.
Yes your right the early on ones had head problems. Which many have been replaced under warranty by now. If you ask any jeep owner or go onto jeep forms majority perfer the 3.6l. So there you go buddy.

Don't get offended but it's all opinion. No reason to get pissy I'm just giving my experience and my opinion.
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I wasn't pissy... just stating facts. From what I see is you got pissy not me. Sorry if you took it that way but it wasn't intended to be an attack on you. But... lets face it... all the Chrysler stuff has issues... eventually. I'm not a Chrysler fan as you'll probably pick up on by now. But in fact all new motors seem to have a break issues don't they? I too miss the old 4.0. I'm on those forums myself. I had a good 3.8 while everyone was moaning about their 3.6's. Not knocking the eventual success of that motor... just making sure people know its not been trouble free. So thats my opinion. No offense intended.
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..................I'm not a Chrysler fan as you'll probably pick up on by now. But in fact all new motors seem to have a break issues don't they? I too miss the old 4.0. I'm on those forums myself. .............
Ditto....
I have had an XJ, YJ, two TJ's (still have one here in SD) all with the 4.0 and two CJ's with the 4.2... It is a damn good engine... But I gotta tell ya, I also recently got a 17 JK with my first 3.6, it also has a towing package, so with a 3.70 rear on stock tires, it feels like it's got big balls. It may eventually get out here to the hills to prove its backbone (altho I've run with plenty here in the Jeep club and at the Jamboree). Only have 7,000 miles on it going to the supermarket and malls in Florida so far, but it's been flawless. Should I have a really good month soon ($$$$ wise) there will be a new JL out here, that extra 100hp would be sweet on the long pulls up some of these roads with a trailer especially. I am also not a Chrysler fan, but none to happy with my beloved 12 Tahoe, the dash is cracking ($1000 said'n'done), back bumper paint starting to peel. Wife's 10 Mustang with paint bubbling up on the aluminum hood and cracks in the welt on the rag top, both garaged vehicles.... While I bleed red, white and blue, I may buy something else next go round.
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Actually the 3.6 had issues as well making people wish they still had the 3.8 so... there you go.
There were no facts stated in this statement at all. I'm not chysler fan either.
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