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Old 07-02-2018, 08:42 AM
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Want to get something off my chest. Notice this a lot lately. Seems to be everywhere. CEO just addressed 6000+ employees in a formal letter and led off with "Wanted to say....."

WHO wanted to say???

I bet that letter took a few hours to write. How difficult would it have been to lead off with a one or two character pronoun? It really doesn't bother me as much as confuse me. Is it laziness, naivete, intentional? I can't figure it out.


I Want to get something off my chest. I Notice this a lot lately. IT Seems to be everywhere. OUR CEO just addressed 6000+ employees in a formal letter and led off with "Wanted to say....."
^well that was easy.....
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I bet that letter took a few hours to write. How difficult would it have been to lead off with a one or two character pronoun? It really doesn't bother me as much as confuse me. Is it laziness, naivete, intentional? I can't figure it out.



^well that was easy.....

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Old 07-02-2018, 09:10 AM
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How about starting sentences without a capital letter? Or no paragraphs?
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Pronouns are triggers. They indicate selfishness (I, me) or intolerance with regard to gender (he, she). Best to avoid them

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It likely has more to do with poor communication (oral and written) skills than an oversight
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Old 07-02-2018, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimm View Post
How about starting sentences without a capital letter? Or no paragraphs?
the capitalization and punctuation issues arise from people like me who use voice to text when posting from a tablet or a phone. I refuse to type on my phone or tablet.
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If he is the CEO of 6000 people he must have done something wright. I would email him back and ask him.
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Texting and shorthand eliminitated this long ago.

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CEO wanted to leave an opening to not take responsibility for what he read . If he would had been speaking of an accomplishment earned by the hard work of those 6000 he would have started " under MY leadership we have ..." , though I don't think this was Op's intent for topic .
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It’s likely the new dumbed down normal, as you say.

But in some cases it is a deliberate attempt to avoid blame or legal culpability. A wise English teacher taught us the difference between #1 and #2 below, and #3 can be the new #2.
  1. Active voice (responsibility identified): “I (your CEO) decided to lay off 6,000 of you..... “
  2. Passive voice (no one is responsible): “It was regrettably decided to lay off 6,000 of our employees....”
  3. New dumbed down normal: “Just wanted to say - 6,000 of you are being laid off, good luck dudes .....”
You get the drift....

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At least it's not like the old way people would abbreviate text messages.

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Originally Posted by My Turn View Post
the capitalization and punctuation issues arise from people like me who use voice to text when posting from a tablet or a phone. I refuse to type on my phone or tablet.
I am dictating into my iPad right now. Are capitals coming up on the first word of the sentence. Turn, You need to have a talk with your iPad or tablet.
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Originally Posted by Sky Blue H2O View Post
It’s likely the new dumbed down normal, as you say.

But in some cases it is a deliberate attempt to avoid blame or legal culpability. A wise English teacher taught us the difference between #1 and #2 below, and #3 can be the new #2.
  1. Active voice (responsibility identified): “I (your CEO) decided to lay off 6,000 of you..... “
  2. Passive voice (no one is responsible): “It was regrettably decided to lay off 6,000 of our employees....”
  3. New dumbed down normal: “Just wanted to say - 6,000 of you are being laid off, good luck dudes .....”
You get the drift....

I absolutely agree; and am no stranger to this. It's usually in an effort to cover for one of my guys who's fk'd something up. There are proper ways of doing it, just like you've shown in number 2. Simply removing the pronoun and starting from there is just poor form.

I also agree with someone else's statement that he's obviously done something right to make it to that position. For this reason I hold him to a higher standard.
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me gramas chekin thinghi dont not unerstan, i is yoo waz ,an e did...
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too hard to text using capitals, paragraphs and all the proper pronouns while driving.
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Well, "I" just wanted to say...It seems wrong to me. I've been concerned about the quality of top management for some time now. I agree that to get to his level he must have done something right. But, what was that? Prove that he can make harsh cuts and focus on EPS? I'm not convinced managing employees has anything to do with upper management these days.

I wouldn't be surprised if the letter was drafted by a team of people and he just reviews it. I agree that the word "I" evokes a strong emotion. Some now consider it wise to refrain from using it not to seem self-centered or self-absorbed. Yet, when you are in a position of authority you should rise above that thought. Further, "I" also represents an acknowledgement of accountability...Which, in MY opinion, is severely lacking these days.

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Whats a pronoun?
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Those guys don't write their own shit. It was his/her millennial tech writer and proof reader that goofed.
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Misspelling when making commits on poor grammar! 10 points off.
Misspelling while deducting points for misspelling is an automatic forfeit.
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Old 07-02-2018, 11:19 AM
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While my grammar isn't perfect by any means, I think it's good enough to prevent me from embarrassing myself too badly. I don't think that suppression of leading pronouns is necessarily a "dumbed down" effect, but rather an indicator of changing times and the world getting smaller. (And by smaller I mean that in the figurative sense, where the increased frequency of travel as well as electronic media has made global communications more widespread, as opposed the actual earth shrinking.)

We tend to pick up or blend characteristics of other languages and cultures. This blending, along with the subtle changes over time due to linguistic economy, can lead to the dropping of leading pronouns. So despite my continued use of the oxford comma* for clarity, I too am guilty of leaving off the leading pronoun at times.

*This refers to the comma before the 'and' in a series, generally added for clarity.
"I'd like you to meet my parents, Lady Gaga, and Humpty Dumpty" <-- Meeting my parents and 2 other people.
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"I'd like you to meet my parents, Lady Gaga and Humpty Dumpty" <-- I may be the spawn of Lady Gaga and Humpty Dumpty.
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