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Old 07-01-2018, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
To counter that, when you realize that the citizen in question is not in the wrong, to you take things any further, or immediately leave? If you don't immediately leave, why not?
Not sure that I understand this. I'm not a cop, if that helps.
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Old 07-02-2018, 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Zeek View Post
What is a "license check"? In Texas, we have DUI checkpoints, and immigration checkpoints, but not "license checkpoints". Are these intended to check the license plates on your vehicle, or your drivers license? (or both?)
DWI checkpoints are not constitutional in Texas

https://www.mcconathylaw.com/dwi-pro...s-checkpoints/

and the only immigration checkpoints that are legal are federal and are at the standard locations in south Texas and on I-10 outside of El Paso
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Old 07-02-2018, 04:04 AM
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Auto, was he a young officer? It has been my experience that it most of the LEOs need about 5-10 years of on the job seasoning. Young ones seems all gung-ho to have control of everything. They want to act like a bunch of cowboys. " I have a gun and by god, you will do as I say."

You are correct in playing nice with this guy. His word against yours. And that is THEreal problem.
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Old 07-02-2018, 04:18 AM
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You wasted 10 minutes of your own time.. I would have told him, I am Mr.(whoever) as you can run my tag. I took my normal route home and sorry you feel otherwise..Have a nice day, I have work to do... I would not have let it gone on that long..
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Just tell him, Sir, with all respect I will be the first one to have your back if you are having an issue on a dark road but I did not purposely evade your license check point. I am sorry you feel I did. I am not trying to be rude but unless I am legally detained or I am under arrest for something , I have work to do..Have a safe night and be careful..
While your solution is no doubt 100% the way things should be handled... it only works in some places, for some people.

Assuming the OP is white and lives in an "upper middle class," largely white neighborhood it will usually (not always) work.

Any other skin tone, and a lower socioeconomic area of town... it will work less often.
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Old 07-02-2018, 04:18 AM
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The first question you ask is ďam I being detained?Ē
if answer is no tell the LEO to be safe and have a nice day and leave. If the answer is yes ask for a supervisor to explain why you are being detained. He will back off as their is zero probable cause.
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Old 07-02-2018, 04:20 AM
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Where did this happen?
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Old 07-02-2018, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by nccoaster View Post
Auto, was he a young officer? It has been my experience that it most of the LEOs need about 5-10 years of on the job seasoning. Young ones seems all gung-ho to have control of everything. They want to act like a bunch of cowboys. " I have a gun and by god, you will do as I say."

You are correct in playing nice with this guy. His word against yours. And that is THEreal problem.
You just described our Bay Bridge Police, to a "T".
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Old 07-02-2018, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by nccoaster View Post
Auto, was he a young officer? It has been my experience that it most of the LEOs need about 5-10 years of on the job seasoning. Young ones seems all gung-ho to have control of everything. They want to act like a bunch of cowboys. " I have a gun and by god, you will do as I say."

You are correct in playing nice with this guy. His word against yours. And that is THEreal problem.
About my age I would guess (36). Tough to say how long heís been on the force though. Mainly worried about getting marked for no reason, as this is a very small delartment (about 10 officers total) that do nothing but run traffic.
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In my opinion, check points are unconstitutional. Some states allow them, though. Up here they also happen to be against our state's constitution, so wouldn't reach federal level in a fight. I also think it's lazy. I do wonder if some of the officer's spiel was just coming out of his mouth until he determined that your story fit and you belonged there?
Didn't know about the constitutional thing, but I have lived in Michigan for >45 years and the only random checkpoint I have ever seen was run by the US Border Patrol, not any Michigan police agency. I lived in Georgia for 2 years and went through 2 random checkpoints. You folks who live in states that allow these random checkpoints should demand to know how the taxpayers are benefitting from this checkpoint business. Your government is spending your money and for what? Does your state have a lower rate than other states of auto fatalities or injuries due to drunk drivers? Is your state's crime rate lower than the national average?
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Old 07-02-2018, 04:39 AM
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doubt he the officer decided on his own to set up a dl check.he is just following orders complain to the mayor, city council, police chief.persoanlly I wouldn't have wasted my time on you or yours on him !
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So, he was out of his jurisdiction and was giving you a hard time? Add to that he could see you lived there and the route you took was shorter than pulling up to the entrance where the check was? Should have gotten his name and badge number and made a call to his duty officer...sounds like an over-zealous jerk on a power trip.
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doubt he the officer decided on his own to set up a dl check.he is just following orders complain to the mayor, city council, police chief.persoanlly I wouldn't have wasted my time on you or yours on him !
sadly that is an equally large waste of time. The mayor and police chief view themselves as modern day Boss Hoggís. Very small town, which could not exist were it not for the revenues brought in from traffic tickets, nearly all of which are generated outside of city limits on roadways that they annexed. Absolutely asinine that that was ever allowed to happen, but it looks like we are stuck with it.
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So, he was out of his jurisdiction and was giving you a hard time? Add to that he could see you lived there and the route you took was shorter than pulling up to the entrance where the check was? Should have gotten his name and badge number and made a call to his duty officer...sounds like an over-zealous jerk on a power trip.
he was, but they do have Authority to exit jurisdiction if they see a known or suspected crime happening. While I completely disagree with the existence of traffic checkpoints, I understand why he would check out somebody turning down the road that I did. Itís a tiny one lane road, that hardly anybody travels. If you turn down that road during awards this check you either live there, or are ducking checkpoint.

it is absolutely pointless to complain to anybody associated with his department, town Council, or mayor. They are all in on it, and without traffic ticket revenue, they would have to dissolve the town. Itís an old mill town, that should be disolved, but of course the voters that live within it donít want to see that happen due to all the freebies that comes along with living inside city limits.
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Old 07-02-2018, 05:14 AM
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He has a right to check ,but one he saw you lived there and didnít avoid he should have ended it.
The wasting his time comment would have pissed me off more then anything.
He is on the job ,serving the people ,you being legal is wasting his time?

But most cops canít be told there wrong or admit it.
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I seem to be in the minority here but if it gets a few drunk drivers off of the road , I am fine with it. I might if I was running late I might but I never am.
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I seem to be in the minority here but if it gets a few drunk drivers off of the road , I am fine with it. I might if I was running late I might but I never am.
What other 4'th amendment rights are you good with ignoring in the name of "safety."
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
What other 4'th amendment rights are you good with ignoring in the name of "safety."
Have another drink
I'd rather them catch you in a checkpoint than after you slam into someone, I don't have to worry, I'm sober.
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So if you turn around when you spot a checkpoint, does that make you a criminal now and give the police a reason to follow you and stop your car going away from the checkpoint? Kind of like fleeing and eluding? Does that give LEO probable cause ?
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
What other 4'th amendment rights are you good with ignoring in the name of "safety."
The Supreme Court has ruled that the check points are NOT a violation of the law...

Matter of fact, from what I know of them, they have to advertise where and when they will be done. There are a lot of rules to setting one up.

I am do not personally care for them BUT they are not a violation of your rights per the Sepreme Court and they are a very liberal body as a whole..
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I too saw a bunch of lights .one night coming back from town.
I took the back road .He lit me up with s lights.
I pulled over .and he asked me why I had avoided the Checkpoint.
I told him that I thought it was an accident.
I knew better.I don't like being fkd with …
Showed em license registration .No warrants .and on my way.
I aint got no problems with the BLUE.
You might need em some day .just sayin.
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