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PSW 06-13-2018 04:28 PM

School me on BMW's
 
Have never owned one. My fiancť is wanting an X5. I think the 3.0 I6 diesel they offer would be what we would be most interested in. Trying to decide now between a 2 or 3 year old used with less than 30k miles or going new and doing a 3 yr lease. I have never leased a car but I think it is something to consider. Any quirks regarding the X5 I might want to be aware of? Does BMW have a good CPO program?

Thanks,

t4000 06-13-2018 04:38 PM

I really like my X5 diesel , only had it a little more than a year . 138 k on the clock , runs and drives beautiful . Very high quality vehicle , I think its getting 24 mpg average ? My X5 is a 2010 model I purchased from the original owner .Very well cared for . So far no issues . I replaced a 2015 cayenne diesel with the X5 . Took money off the table for other purposes . No regrets . The cayenne would smoke the X5 power wise .

PSW 06-13-2018 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by t4000 (Post 11513981)
I really like my X5 diesel , only had it a little more than a year . 138 k on the clock , runs and drives beautiful . Very high quality vehicle , I think its getting 24 mpg average ? My X5 is a 2010 model I purchased from the original owner .Very well cared for . So far no issues . I replaced a 2015 cayenne diesel with the X5 . Took money off the table for other purposes . No regrets . The cayenne would smoke the X5 power wise .

Good to hear. Thanks. I am ok with moderate performance. My RR has the V8 and frankly I rarely ever use the power. The solid fuel economy and purr of the diesel would be nice for all the traffic we sit in around Seattle. She just received a promotion that entails more of a commute so this would ease that frustration a bit. If the reliability is good I would prefer to find a 2016 and buy slightly used vs leasing the 2019 new model when it comes out this fall. I am sure many BMW enthusiasts will bring quite a bit of demand for the new model.

Breiberks 06-13-2018 05:04 PM


I bought my daughter a 320I CPO for college 2 years ago..her warranty was an additional 2 year 100k past the factory of 4 years/ 50k.
I recently purchased a CPO 328i last December and the new CPO Warranty is 1 year unlimited miles past the standard warranty.
So my daughterís was a much better deal.
$50 deductible for all covered services.
X5 is a great looking SUV.

OneOnTheHead 06-13-2018 05:05 PM

I leased a 2015 x5 (3.0) for my wife, lease just ended last month. There were absolutely no issues and in fact liked it so much we purchased it at lease end.

Great riding vehicle, performance is not moderate compared with 90% of vehicles out there. Plenty of power and then some for entering highways or any other driving.

Don't think you would regret it either way.

bjm9818 06-13-2018 05:15 PM

My wife just purchased a ‘18 gas X5. Car is nice but for mid 60’s you with think leather seats would be standard. They sold her a “demo”
model that when she test drive had 230 miles on it. The sales man needed to take the car home for the weekend to get to 300 so it would qualify for a demo sale. They included 4 years warranty plus a 5th year of unlimited miles.

Car moves pretty good and all the features are great as long as they don’t break. Ergonomically not the most comfortable car I’ve driven but she likes it so i really don’t care.

Personaly i I would have gone the GC Hemi and left some $$ in my pocket but that’s just me. Car has 3500 miles on it so way to early to give any kind of durability report.

Fish'nFool 06-13-2018 05:32 PM

I owned a BMW diesel. 335d . Great engine, but I strongly recommend getting an extended warranty and getting rid of it before it is up.

At the mileage you are looking at is when some of the issues start to pop up. eg problems with the urea injection system (crystalized urea) which puts the car into limp mode requiring a dealer visit, carbon build up in the intake due to egr, higher miles dpf troubles can start.

I was very active in the BMW diesel forum so aside from my personal experience i got a sampling of others troubles.

These engines like to be run and run hard.

if it were not for all of the EPA emissions nannies the 3.0 l would be damn near a perfect engine, super torquey, quiet, and very efficient.

PSW 06-13-2018 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by bjm9818 (Post 11514097)
My wife just purchased a Ď18 gas X5. Car is nice but for mid 60ís you with think leather seats would be standard. They sold her a ďdemoĒ
model that when she test drive had 230 miles on it. The sales man needed to take the car home for the weekend to get to 300 so it would qualify for a demo sale. They included 4 years warranty plus a 5th year of unlimited miles.

Car moves pretty good and all the features are great as long as they donít break. Ergonomically not the most comfortable car Iíve driven but she likes it so i really donít care.

Personaly i I would have gone the GC Hemi and left some $$ in my pocket but thatís just me. Car has 3500 miles on it so way to early to give any kind of durability report.

She actually drives a GC currently.

TIMarine 06-13-2018 05:39 PM

I agree with the above. Just traded an X5 35d two weeks ago after owning it for 8 years. Iíve never owned a car that so perfectly balances capability, space, performance, economy, and confidence. That 3.0L diesel is awesome. Unfortunately, I also agree that owning one out of warranty can get expensive. Mine finally got expensive enough that I got tired of paying for repairs. Never got tired of the car, though.

mv rapscallion 06-13-2018 06:06 PM

Bmw's cpo program is not as good as it used to be. You now only get one year of warranty beyond the factory warranty.

As for the diesel, I'm pretty familiar with it. It's the same engine in the sedan (which is what I had--just traded it, actually) except for a different egr setup. The different setup meant the x5 was less prone to carbon build up than the sedans. The SCR tanks were notoriously problematic but BMW extended the warranty to 100k so those are no longer an issue. The same is true for the NOx sensors. The vacuum lines, harmonic balancer, and guibo are a few other known weak points that will need replacing. Other than that, there are very strong. People regularly "delete" them and see 400hp/600ft lbs without issue.

That said, for the years you mentioned, I believe you are talking about two different engines. For the x5, I think it was 2015 or 2016 that they switched to a single turbo setup. That engine was slightly less powerful, a bit more laggy and had a slightly weaker valve train. The newer ones are less desirable for tuning but see to be more reliable for everyday purposes.

Pipo6007 06-13-2018 06:09 PM

My wife had a X-5d from 2012-2015 and then we leased a 2015 X-5 x-drive gas version. Both were great cars but the diesel clearly got 80-100 miles more per tank. We never used ECO mode or the start stop option same on the diesel. The 20” tires in the front got eaten up by 9,000 miles on the diesel. After complaining about that they replaced all the tires due to defect and sent them back. No other issues to 35,000 miles.
The gas X-5 has been just as good but the diesel one had a few more options that she missed. Real leather, surround cameras, seat comfort package and the built in rear shades.
The lease is up at the end of August so we may turn it in next month or wait until the end. My contact there said to wait until July because the residuals and money factors should be better next month. When they announce a new model is coming out they offer better deals.

fishingfun 06-13-2018 06:45 PM

First thing you have to learn before you buy a BMW. Is how to work into every conversation in the first 5 minutes that you own a BMW. Long term BMW owners can do it in the first one to two minutes.

SeaJay 06-13-2018 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by fishingfun (Post 11514414)
First thing you have to learn before you buy a BMW. Is how to work into every conversation in the first 5 minutes that you own a BMW. Long term BMW owners can do it in the first one to two minutes.

Is this how its done?

"Sorry I'm late, I ran into a lot of traffic on the way here in my beemer"

northcap 06-13-2018 08:23 PM

I’ve owned two X5’s. Wonderful vehicles.

signmansez 06-13-2018 09:10 PM

Everyone should own one once, better yet lease it and get rid of it after 50k.

Have owned three and once they hit the repairs needed threshold bend over and grab your ankles!

You can sneeze in a BMW and a dash light will go off.

If you have to have one lease it new, if you buy a cpo buy the extra warranty, it will be chump change compared to your first major repair.

D.M.D. 06-14-2018 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by signmansez (Post 11514732)
....if you buy a cpo buy the extra warranty, it will be chump change compared to your first major repair.

Wife has one...sunroof motor stopped. BMW wanted $4700.00 for the repair.....Told them to shut the roof. She loves the vehicle, but DAMN.....they are $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to maintain. Also, headlight bulb blew out. Can't replace the bulb, the entire light assembly must be replaced. Great! To get to it, the front bumper needs to be removed!! So, after $938.00 for a headlight, we can see again at night!! You have been forewarned!!!!

YeOldeStonecat 06-14-2018 03:13 AM

BMWs were GREAT cars in the 60's and 70's.....and I'll dare to say into the 80's Their engines, transmissions, drive trains, suspension....top notch. Cars approaching 75,000 miles were just being broken in. Back in the early 70's the 2002 models were incredible, some people easily got past 200,000 miles on them. ..I had a friend who sold his at over 300,000 miles and it till ran strong.

Back then, they were the ultimate driving machine, catering to those who loved to drive sportingly and have a car that loved being driven in such a manner.

Somewhere along the late 80's into the 90's it transitioned into more of a status symbol car. Especially after the new designer, Bangle or whatever, started changing the looks. Many in the US market are now made in the US...so quality isn't what it was either.

rocksandblues 06-14-2018 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat (Post 11514888)
BMWs were GREAT cars in the 60's and 70's.....and I'll dare to say into the 80's Their engines, transmissions, drive trains, suspension....top notch. Cars approaching 75,000 miles were just being broken in. Back in the early 70's the 2002 models were incredible, some people easily got past 200,000 miles on them. ..I had a friend who sold his at over 300,000 miles and it till ran strong.

Back then, they were the ultimate driving machine, catering to those who loved to drive sportingly and have a car that loved being driven in such a manner.

Somewhere along the late 80's into the 90's it transitioned into more of a status symbol car. Especially after the new designer, Bangle or whatever, started changing the looks. Many in the US market are now made in the US...so quality isn't what it was either.


That is not even remotely true or accurate.

What is your personal experience with BMW?

rusty spoke 06-14-2018 04:45 AM

My wife leased a 5 series in 2014. Besides the fact that it was a total waste of money because there were no deals with a second lease, the car's suspension turned to crap after the first year. Not sure whatvthe issue was but it got real "loose" on the road. She turned it in after the 3 year lease with only 4500 miles on it. Oh, and had to pay to return the car too, something like 400 bucks.

I bought her a 2008 A4 S Line with 100k miles that drives better than the BMW ever did.

head_hunter 06-14-2018 04:51 AM

3 year leasing is the way to go, based on pricing and reliability. They start to have lots of expensive problems at about the 3 year mark. If you go used, definitely get CPO, but even then, who wants a car thats in the shop all the time.

The X5s with the base inline 6 models have awful steering. They just will not settle down and track straight at highway speeds, they wander horribly. I hated taking my wife's on road trips. Caranddriver felt the same in the last comparison test and ranked it last. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...omparison-test

We traded it early on the v8 model, which has a different steering system and it is night and day better.


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