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Old 06-14-2018, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rocksandblues View Post
That is not even remotely true or accurate.

What is your personal experience with BMW?
What part are you going to attempt to debate?

Since the early 70's. Starting with in the family and friends, neighbors. As far back as the 1600 models, and then the 2002, models, and and then the 2002tii models (I can't even begin to count how many hours I've spent in those...one of my best friends back in college had one, and I had an imported Ford (of Cologne Germany) Capri with a 2.8 v6 and getrag 4 spd. Every single Sunday at midnight we'd race up to UCONN campus from our home town...normally about a 1 hour drive back then but we'd typically do it in under 30 minutes at near or over triple digit speeds for much of it)
A neighbor started turning into a collector with the rare coupes such as the mid 70's 3.0 CSi with triple weber carbs, he had a few other semi rare models. They were a full German family and also collected old Porches and VWs of 60's and early 70's vintage. I spent a lot of time helping wrench 'em. (they'd buy up old ratty ones and fix 'em up into gorgeous show grade cars)
Even in the 80's...lotta time in a 325i we had. My dad bought a rare imported 735i model (Euro spec...not US spec). 5 spd manual instead of automatic like 99% of 'em, rev limited cut in at 155 but she'd still climb up to that.

BMW's inline 6's back then were legendary for smoothness, and pulling like a locomotive with a fantastic solid torque curve and a willingness to dance near the 6k range all day long. And a sumptuous crisp 5spd and a suspension system that let the car become one with it sporting drive.

Growing up my parents were into European sports cars..they both had MGA's when they met and married, my dad was also into Austin Healeys, and at age 12 he taught me to drive on his '74 Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV Sprint Veloce. That car has done a lot of laps at the Lime Rock track in CT.

Back then, there were more than 1x article in something like Road & Track magazine that had articles of Alfas and BMWs with 0-60 tests on brand new cars versus cars with >50k miles...showing the cars with >50 miles ran faster. Engines were made well by some manufacturers back then. Compared to the horribly engineered cars made by the US in the late 70's and early 80's...where engines ate themselves up by 75k miles and lost all performance and turn into blue smoke blowing tired old rigs. Back then US made cars were junk by 100k miles. Sure..gotten better now, but.."affordable" Euro cars now like BMW, Audi, VW, Volvo..(now gone Saab)..they've turned into "Look at me" snob cars. Peaked during the Chris Bangle years...the late 90's and early 2000's...as he designed and churned out that bloated look BMW and marketing aimed to the $ yuppie crowd. Do they still "drive" better than most rice and American cars? Sure! But...primary goal now is the snob appeal, with a little bit of "ultimate driving machine" still hidden in there.

Personally I'd love to stumble across an old Z-8 Roadster model for myself. I bet nobody else here on these forums ever even heard of that model. Quite a rare little thing...cross a Miata with a burbly V-8 engine under the hood and throw in a lot of testosterone....and better looks, and you have a Z-8 Roadster.
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You still haven't owned any... LOL

Same straight 6 you praised is was alive and thriving into the 2000's !

Say what you all want about maintenance but bmw- but the 3 series won a ton of awards and praise from car professionals for decades. They are driver's cars and while there is always something faster, very few put a smile on your face like a BMW.
I have owned around 6, still own 330 and 328 convertibles, 06 and 99.

snob appeal? that is on you Heck a late model accord has more hp than both of mine. But it is just not the same experience.
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I've had 10 BMWs including 4 X5s with 1 being diesel. Never had a repair needed other than the usual tires and brakes/rotors.

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Old 06-14-2018, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by rocksandblues View Post
You still haven't owned any... LOL
Wrong again, apparently missed the 325i part...she was dark blue.
How many decades worth is your actual in the car under the hood under the car experience? How many have you wrenched on?
Put some of your creds down on the table!

And you haven't clarified what part of my statement you attempted to claim "was wrong".
I still stand by my statement. BMW was a true driving enthusiasts car back when they started importing in the US. Back in the 60's and 70's it was a quirky car for the sporting driver. It was not a snob car like a Mercedes or Jaq or Bentley. Became the car of the "Preppy Handbook" for Biff and Muffy in their cardigans in the late 80's. And tragically...the SUV models got popular the inner city thug mobiles with giant spinner rims.
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I have owned several BMWs and loved them all — the styling and design just matches up perfectly to my tastes. However, don’t buy a BMW for practical reasons or for value, as they just wont pass any sort of sanity check for those reasons. You can get more for a lot less money with many other brands.

Right now I have a 4 series coupe with M package, but have been eyeing a new X3 M40i, which is a hot little number. But it will cost almost $70k the way I’d want it, and that is so far out of the range of sanity for a small SUV I would have a hard time looking at myself in the mirror. Yes people will buy them but don’t ever try to convince yourself it’s a good value.



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The've had the same dumb grill design since 1933
Old 06-14-2018, 06:48 AM
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traded my wifes X5 end of last year.. don't keep after warranty.. at exactly 50,001 miles lots of things needed replaced, all after the 50k warranty expired.. Traded it for a Toyota 4Runner and am very very happy with that decision
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The drive trains aren't the problem. They are pretty bulletproof. We had over 150k on a 7 series. Most expensive car I ever owned.....to maintain!

Too much complicated computer driven crap on them. Sensors, lights, switches, modules,etc. seem to go out if you sneeze too hard.

I would venture to say I have not been in a BMW that doesn't have some silly dash light on telling you it's time to go see Olaf and hand him a mortgage payment!
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
Wrong again, apparently missed the 325i part...she was dark blue.
How many decades worth is your actual in the car under the hood under the car experience? How many have you wrenched on?
Put some of your creds down on the table!

And you haven't clarified what part of my statement you attempted to claim "was wrong".
I still stand by my statement. BMW was a true driving enthusiasts car back when they started importing in the US. Back in the 60's and 70's it was a quirky car for the sporting driver. It was not a snob car like a Mercedes or Jaq or Bentley. Became the car of the "Preppy Handbook" for Biff and Muffy in their cardigans in the late 80's. And tragically...the SUV models got popular the inner city thug mobiles with giant spinner rims.

Plenty of wrench time.
I hate how you derailed a thread about x5. But hate more your ignorance and racism.

I can end my poor part of this thread with:
Who and what you think is snobby is your hang up not a luxury car maker.
To say that BMW's of 80' and upward are not excellent driving machines is ludicrous.
And to say that BMW SUV's are only driven by thugs is incorrect, racist and cements your total ignorance.
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Whether you buy CPO or lease, make sure to get the best warranty you can. Great vehicles but crazy expensive to service/repair.
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Originally Posted by rocksandblues View Post
ignorance and racism.
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Once again wrong...you see, when I use the term "urban" it has no color in it. It's a mentality that crosses across ANY race/ethnicity. It's about the attitude. Can be ANY race. My first wife was from Puerto Rico...my current wife has Philippino in her, you can take your claims of racist, wrap it in barbed wire and shove it up yer arse. Love how you put words in others mouths to attempt to slant your point..I never said "ALL SUV's. Re-read...IF you passed English class. Talk about "ignorance"....freaking dolt!
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post

Personally I'd love to stumble across an old Z-8 Roadster model for myself. I bet nobody else here on these forums ever even heard of that model. Quite a rare little thing...cross a Miata with a burbly V-8 engine under the hood and throw in a lot of testosterone....and better looks, and you have a Z-8 Roadster.
Stumble across a Z8? lol Better bring a couple hundred thousand...they are rare and collectable.

Much larger than a Miata by the way.

By the way, every car enthusiast knows about the Z8...
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Originally Posted by RyanL11 View Post
Stumble across a Z8? lol Better bring a couple hundred thousand...they are rare and collectable.
Yeah I'm sure most are collected up and sitting in climate controlled garages by now...couldn't image what they average now $ wise. After drooling over them upon release in car magazines, saw (and heard) my first one out on the roads many years ago in Newport Rhode Island. What a drool inducing exhaust note burbling from those pipes in the back...oh what a sound. While classic American V-8 muscle from the late 60's had a great ground thumping sound, European V-8's could churn out quite a different yet deep and hearty note. Thinking back to the early Porsche 928's... Or some UK cars with the BOP 3.5 alu V08.
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New model being released for '19 which means lease rates will plummet on '18 models soon.
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Originally Posted by MattGoose View Post
New model being released for '19 which means lease rates will plummet on '18 models soon.
I can understand that residual value will go down but the cap cost will also be lower.
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Originally Posted by PSW View Post
I can understand that residual value will go down but the cap cost will also be lower.
Those are actually the different sides of the same coin.

More important, the MF offered by the manufacturer almost always plummets. I was looking at a Q5 and the difference between MF on the '17 and '18 was pretty big - if I recall correctly it was something like 1% v 5%. When cap cost is so high, MF makes a big difference.
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Originally Posted by MattGoose View Post
Those are actually the different sides of the same coin.

More important, the MF offered by the manufacturer almost always plummets. I was looking at a Q5 and the difference between MF on the '17 and '18 was pretty big - if I recall correctly it was something like 1% v 5%. When cap cost is so high, MF makes a big difference.
Theoretically bmw would lower the money factor on current 18's to move inventory as another form of incentive correct. If she decides she wants a X5 after researching I will have her consider waiting for a 19' but I assume the deals on them will be non existent given demand a new style brings to such a well known model as the X5.
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I think quite a few of us KNOW what a Z8 is...............
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Originally Posted by PSW View Post
Theoretically bmw would lower the money factor on current 18's to move inventory as another form of incentive correct. If she decides she wants a X5 after researching I will have her consider waiting for a 19' but I assume the deals on them will be non existent given demand a new style brings to such a well known model as the X5.
I was saying to wait for the '19 to get a better deal on an '18. But your money is on the line, not mine
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watched a lawyer video about cpo,
he said regardless of what they tell you about inspections, the ONLY THING CPO MEANS usually and legally is a longer warranty

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