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Old 06-26-2018, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bluffman2 View Post
Insurance to start. If I had 500 or thousand hours under my belt it would not be an issue
Insurance will probably be an extra $1000 or even $1500 your first year for a retract. It will go down substantially after you have 100 hours in the plane. After that, insurance will be very similar between fixed/retractable and mostly will revolve around the value of the aircraft.

Which model M20? I have flown various models.

Nice medium body M20J, M20F's can be had around 60-100k. These actually have room for adults in the backseat. F's cruise around 145kts and J's closer to 155kts. The older short body mooneys (E's,C's) will do 140-145kts but the backseat is only appropriate for bags or kids... super tight for a normal size human. I have seen nice clean examples of the short body planes sell for around 35-45k.

Mooney gear is easy to maintain compared to some of the hydraulic systems on other aircraft. On some of the older ones, its 100% mechanical and actuated with a lever in the cabin. The electrical ones, the system is the same type of mechanical linkages but with an electric motor and jackscrew taking place of the lever.
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https://www.controller.com/listings/...65-mooney-m20c

These can be good deals
Old 06-26-2018, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bluffman2 View Post
CSY I value your opinion greatly, however the only piper I have been in felt sluggish. Kind a like it never wanted to get to where it was going. 140
Yeah, I know the 140 quite well, the first plane I flew.
After flight school I kept renting it, got a good deal from the owner and almost bought it later. (Like being almost pregnant)
The 140 is a great 2 seater and should be used as such.
Full fuel and 4 adults won’t work, throw in hot and high and it becomes deadly
I enjoyed the plane though, solo or with 1 pax..
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insurance will probably be an extra $1000 or even $1500 your first year for a retract. It will go down substantially after you have 100 hours in the plane. After that, insurance will be very similar between fixed/retractable and mostly will revolve around the value of the aircraft.

which model m20? i have flown various models.

Nice medium body m20j, m20f's can be had around 60-100k. These actually have room for adults in the backseat. F's cruise around 145kts and j's closer to 155kts. The older short body mooneys (e's,c's) will do 140-145kts but the backseat is only appropriate for bags or kids... Super tight for a normal size human. I have seen nice clean examples of the short body planes sell for around 35-45k.

Mooney gear is easy to maintain compared to some of the hydraulic systems on other aircraft. On some of the older ones, its 100% mechanical and actuated with a lever in the cabin. The electrical ones, the system is the same type of mechanical linkages but with an electric motor and jackscrew taking place of the lever.

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Originally Posted by csy man View Post


Yeah, I know the 140 quite well, the first plane I flew.
After flight school I kept renting it, got a good deal from the owner and almost bought it later. (Like being almost pregnant)
The 140 is a great 2 seater and should be used as such.
Full fuel and 4 adults won’t work, throw in hot and high and it becomes deadly
I enjoyed the plane though, solo or with 1 pax..
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I learned to fly in the Cruiser/140 as well. Great flying airplane with benign stall characteristics. Much more comfortable for two 21st century adults in the front seats vs. a 150/2. The rear seat in a Cruiser is for your flight kit. It's not a "true" four place aircraft.

If you're looking for something to learn in and keep after you earn your Private, I'd look hard at the Piper Warrior/160 and Archer/180.
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Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger View Post
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I learned to fly in the Cruiser/140 as well. Great flying airplane with benign stall characteristics. Much more comfortable for two 21st century adults in the front seats vs. a 150/2. The rear seat in a Cruiser is for your flight kit. It's not a "true" four place aircraft.

If you're looking for something to learn in and keep after you earn your Private, I'd look hard at the Piper Warrior/160 and Archer/180.
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Speaking of Mooneys, when I was a new pilot, I had no idea what type of airplane I ultimately wanted to own but I happened into a partnership with 3 other guys in this 1987 Mooney 252. N4387W. It was sensational in it's own way. Great, full function panel like Mooneys tend to have ... would fly at 25,000 feet using oxygen and did 200 knots at altitude.<br /><br />This photo was taken at the old Dial Eastern aircraft painting just after the fresh paint job. The partners were all interesting guys and became close friends.
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Originally Posted by Ormond Bert54 View Post

Speaking of Mooneys, when I was a new pilot, I had no idea what type of airplane I ultimately wanted to own but I happened into a partnership with 3 other guys in this 1987 Mooney 252. N4387W. It was sensational in it's own way. Great, full function panel like Mooneys tend to have ... would fly at 25,000 feet using oxygen and did 200 knots at altitude.<br /><br />This photo was taken at the old Dial Eastern aircraft painting just after the fresh paint job. The partners were all interesting guys and became close friends.
Nice aircraft.

My uncle owns ( and i get to fly) a 1985 i think it is called a 231. It has all the upgrades (auto wastgate etc).

Great travelling plane.

I was a cessna owner/flyer mainly.
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I got to try a 140 Cherokee today. Nice
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Nice aircraft.

My uncle owns ( and i get to fly) a 1985 i think it is called a 231. It has all the upgrades (auto wastgate etc).

Great travelling plane.

I was a cessna owner/flyer mainly.
The Mooney is known to be economical but fast and well equipped as an instrument platform. I think they are safe and hold their value well.

I think one of the great airplanes is the Cessna 182 but for a little more, you can go for the Cessna 210. Also, reasonably priced to own and fly.
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Just flew a Cherokee 140. Not a fan
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I got to try a 140 Cherokee today. Nice
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this one seemed to have a little more power or maybe like I said previous, it could have been that the other was LOADED down for a cross country
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Old 07-01-2018, 09:09 AM
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DEF a nice one.....
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Am I the only one scared shitless with the thought of Stephen at the controls of an aircraft?

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Originally Posted by Ormond Bert54 View Post
The Mooney is known to be economical but fast and well equipped as an instrument platform. I think they are safe and hold their value well.

I think one of the great airplanes is the Cessna 182 but for a little more, you can go for the Cessna 210. Also, reasonably priced to own and fly.
182 is a heck of a bang for the buck all around. Not a hood choice for a "starter" plane imho tho.

I know a guy that wrote the book on the 210 (literally).
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Am I the only one scared shitless with the thought of Stephen at the controls of an aircraft?

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Originally Posted by rbhankins001 View Post
182 is a heck of a bang for the buck all around. Not a hood choice for a "starter" plane imho tho.

I know a guy that wrote the book on the 210 (literally).
Yes, the 182 is a good plane, got a few hours in those.
That being said, the C-180 is so much better. Buy one, learn to fly in it and life will be easy ever after.
As for the C-210: Yeah great plane and expensive to fly and maintain: They had the Continental IO-520. Back in my days there was
some cylinder issues, and more, especially for the P-210. (It would be crazy to get one of them out of warranty, like my E-500 Wagon out of warranty, it killed my bank account in a few weeks. R.I.P.)
Listen Guys: Lots of fancy machines out there, especially if your name is Bill Gates, get all the nice planes, then some.
For a Private pilot looking for a trainer, then a personal plane, Look above: Good advise left and right,
(for hairs on your chest, get that C-180, tailwheel. Everybody trained on tail wheel planes up to about 1965 or so. Nosewheel back then was called training wheels. My first Captain job was on a DC-3 back in 1986. Glad I had the time on C-185s and C-188s, made my DC-3 Captain Check Ride Easy.

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To continue on, now that we are on a roll:
My next Captain’s job was on Boeing 747s. A big part of the check ride was losing an outboard engine right around V-1.
If you went flying you lost another engine on the same side right around 800-1000 feet. Having flown taildraggers in the past made it fairly
easy to keep the big Boeing straight, on the runway and in the air.
I could tell if my sim partners had only nose wheel time, they were all over the place and a few had to do the check ride again.
(If you are sharp, you learn and pass the exam regardless. Some of us were not sharp, but had 500 hours on tailwheel before we climbed into the DC-8-73 and the B-747-100 simulators, hence we passed because of quick rudder work)

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