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Old 06-15-2018, 05:30 PM
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After the non flying pilot calls V1 you’re going flying. No RTO unless you have serious reservations about the plane getting airborne and remaining that way. What’s interesting is that accelerate stop distance is predicated on wheel braking only. They still couldn’t stop even with reverse.
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:26 PM
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I got my PPL in 110 hours because I enjoyed the flying part so much but was overall so uncomfortable with the whole thing that I wanted as much flight time as possible. One of my bigger lessons was that my instructors wasted lots of time on the book work because they were poor book work teachers. Eventually I figured this out. I took a weekend (Aviation Seminars) crash course and immediately took and passed the written. This meant that all I had to do with my instructor is fly! For the instrument, I did the same thing. The weekend cram course actually teaches the material in a way that is easy to understand and remember. One of the problems with buying a beginner airplane is that you may get bored with it. While I was getting my PPL and Instrument, I spent lots of time flying the Cessna 182, Mooney M20 (retract gear) and Trinidad TB20 (retract gear). These are far more interesting than the C172 or C152 in my opinion. My last airplane was a King Air C90A which I sold last year. It's totally addicting. Boats are more fun for me because you have a place to stay when you get there as long as you have a big enough boat.
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
After the non flying pilot calls V1 you’re going flying. No RTO unless you have serious reservations about the plane getting airborne and remaining that way. What’s interesting is that accelerate stop distance is predicated on wheel braking only. They still couldn’t stop even with reverse.

Aye, yes and no.
There is a bit more to it than that, although you are on the right track.
In this case, in case we are talking about the B-747-200 running off the end of the runway at 90 knots in Columbia?
Performance calculations is a big thing on these old jets.
Between the 3 pilots (or 1 FE) up on the flight deck at 04:00 in the morning, after 20 hours on duty, all with the blessings of the graveyard agency called the FAA, we pulled big manuals out and made manual calculations based on tempratures, winds, slope, length, engines (which model engines, sometimes intermix, 3 same, 1 different, 2 or 2 or 4 different motors, each one different ..Worst case scenario and pain in the arse)
Easy to make mistakes at 04:00.
No computers doing-it for you, no Sir or Madam, do it manually. In this case they lived because they had the wrong engine out altitude computed:
If they had continued with a dead engine, they would all be dead. 800’ vs 1600’ engine out level out altitude. Sloppy work, but they lived.
I knew all 3, they all fucked up, but they lived. I stil stay in touch with the Flight Engineer, he is running his own Outboard motor shop in North Florida now and glad to be alive.

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Old 06-16-2018, 02:17 AM
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I had the pleasure of flying freight in old planes and I know exactly what you’re talking about. I’m freighter trash too. I made mistakes as well. Like a flap 15 departure and we took off at flaps to 5. Yes I’m aware that flaps are on both the taxi and takeoff checklist and that all 3 crewmwmbers have to verify it on the flap handle and the indicator. Shit definetly happens! I actually had a 36 hour duty day once. CVG-YIP-MEX-LRD-ATL. My friend Kevin flew FO on the L1011 with you guys.

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I started my ppl training 2 1/2 yrs ago / bought a '66 Piper Cherokee 180 19 hrs in / sold it yesterday for enough to cover all my training expenses except gas and maintenance

It took me 2 hrs 20 mins to deliver the plane, the buyers uncle flew me home in his Debonaire in 1 hr 45 mins. If I buy again I will look seriously at those...sweet.
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bay pro, was there a serious tailwind going home?
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35kts better cruise
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Or to say it has 28% better cruise speed vs the Cherokee which would translate be about a 39min shorter flight all things being equal.
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ok sorry, i thought they were comparable
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Just flew a Cherokee 140. Not a fan
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Why?
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
Why?
it could have been he was almost topped off with fuel for a cross country flight but it felt a little sluggish, 1967 model
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Originally Posted by bluffman2 View Post

it could have been he was almost topped off with fuel for a cross country flight but it felt a little sluggish, 1967 model
which wings? The short Hershey bar style? Not much lift with short wings and low power.
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I don’t really know the difference. It took a lot of asphalt to get airborne
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Here
https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/comm...-archer.75772/

some dont have rounded ends literally look like a Hershey bar when viewed perpendicularly, hence the nickname.
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
I had the pleasure of flying freight in old planes and I know exactly what you’re talking about. I’m freighter trash too. I made mistakes as well. Like a flap 15 departure and we took off at flaps to 5. Yes I’m aware that flaps are on both the taxi and takeoff checklist and that all 3 crewmwmbers have to verify it on the flap handle and the indicator. Shit definetly happens! I actually had a 36 hour duty day once. CVG-YIP-MEX-LRD-ATL. My friend Kevin flew FO on the L1011 with you guys.
Aha, another freight dog.
Yeah, I had the 30-40 hour duty days as well. Even if you survive the flying, it takes a toll on the body and probably does not help
living to a ripe old age.
After my Freight Dog days I got hired with a major airline flying people across the skies.
What a world of difference, now you can call in fatigued without losing the job and we have relief pilots onboard
and rest facilitates, union protection, etc, etc,
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Aha, another freight dog.
Yeah, I had the 30-40 hour duty days as well. Even if you survive the flying, it takes a toll on the body and probably does not help
living to a ripe old age.
After my Freight Dog days I got hired with a major airline flying people across the skies.
What a world of difference, now you can call in fatigued without losing the job and we have relief pilots onboard
and rest facilitates, union protection, etc, etc,
question, I thought there were rules and regs in place to limit the hours a person could fly?
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
Why?
because it's a Piper.....
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Originally Posted by bluffman2 View Post
question, I thought there were rules and regs in place to limit the hours a person could fly?
There is, but plenty of exemptions, also different rules for cargo and pax pilots and different for Domestic and International, flag and supplemental carrier, etc.
In a nutshell, back when this accident happened, there was not limit on duty time as long as the flight time was less than 12 hours.
say you fly 2.5 hrs, offload and load with 4 hours on the ground, fly another 2.5, then 4 etc. Now you are way into the mid 20s on duty before you hit 12 flying hours. and perhaps you were awake 12 hours before your went to work. (Hard to sleep during the day) Now you are at 40 hours before you go to bed. Or, if the there is a no-revenue leg back to base, you can fly another 10 hours, now you are at 50 hours before you go to bed.
perfectly legal by the FAA, or at least it was that way recently.
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ok, I thought yall were talking flight hours
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