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Old 06-01-2018, 07:32 AM
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For more than four years, questions swirled about the shooting death of Gregory Vaughn Hill Jr. at his home in Fort Pierce, Fla. After all, there were only three witnesses to how the entire episode unfolded: two St. Lucie County sheriff’s deputies and Mr. Hill.

Mr. Hill, a 30-year-old African-American, was fatally shot by a white sheriff’s deputy who had responded to a noise complaint about music Mr. Hill had been playing in his garage. Toxicology reports showed Mr. Hill was drunk at the time. And after a brief encounter with the deputies, he was discovered dead inside the garage with a gun in his back pocket; the deputies said he had been holding it during their confrontation, though that claim is in dispute. Mr. Hill had been shot three times by one of the deputies, Christopher Newman.

Among other things, a federal jury hearing a wrongful-death lawsuit brought by Mr. Hill’s family was asked to decide whether his constitutional rights had been violated and whether his estate should be awarded damages. How much, jurors were asked, were the pain and suffering of Mr. Hill’s three children worth?

Last week, the jurors delivered their verdict. Deputy Newman had not used excessive force, they concluded, but the St. Lucie County sheriff, Ken Mascara, had been ever so slightly negligent given Deputy Newman’s actions. The jury awarded $4 in damages: $1 for funeral expenses and $1 for each child’s loss.....

Jury Leaves $4 to Family of Man Killed by Sheriff’s Deputy, Along With Many Questions
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:38 AM
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I't was a question of percentage of liability by the sheriffs department.
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"Because jurors also found that the sheriff’s office was only 1 percent at fault in the death, that award was reduced to four cents."

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Sounds like the jury decided the wrongful death wasn't so wrongful.
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Very nasty award amount. Awarding absolutely nothing would have been much better.
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You know the plaintiff's attorney will take half of the settlement...
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You know the plaintiff's attorney will take half of the settlement...
Read the whole story. At the bottom it says the judge set the award to zero.

$4 was too much.
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no big deal now that hanging out at starbucks is free
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thats a kick in the dick for the family !
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Wrongful death has to be wrongful. I guess it wasn't.
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Out of curiosity, if he is shot multiple times and dying, how does he/why does he take the time to put the gun in his pocket.

Gun legally registered and was he allowed to own a gun? If so, where is NRA?

Doesn't make much sense in the articles I have read. Found not due a reward would have been better than an intentional insult to a situation where there is obvious gray area.
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Please Lord allow that Judge many offspring who think just like He/She, are just as smart, have just as much Commen Sence, and will not be afraid to make the right decision under pressure...

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Gun legally registered and was he allowed to own a gun? If so, where is NRA?
I think you already know the answer to that
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Out of curiosity, if he is shot multiple times and dying, how does he/why does he take the time to put the gun in his pocket.

Gun legally registered and was he allowed to own a gun? If so, where is NRA?

Doesn't make much sense in the articles I have read. Found not due a reward would have been better than an intentional insult to a situation where there is obvious gray area.
Before he was shot he probably had to put the gun away in order to have a free hand to lock the garage door he was spamming shut.
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
Out of curiosity, if he is shot multiple times and dying, how does he/why does he take the time to put the gun in his pocket.

Gun legally registered and was he allowed to own a gun? If so, where is NRA?

Doesn't make much sense in the articles I have read. Found not due a reward would have been better than an intentional insult to a situation where there is obvious gray area.
I guess the jury didn't see it that way. They are us.
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Out of curiosity, if he is shot multiple times and dying, how does he/why does he take the time to put the gun in his pocket.

Gun legally registered and was he allowed to own a gun? If so, where is NRA?

Doesn't make much sense in the articles I have read. Found not due a reward would have been better than an intentional insult to a situation where there is obvious gray area.
there is nothing to indicate he was shot prior to putting the gun in his pocket and in addition to that people often move, fight, flee, and do all sorts of other actions after being shot even if they eventually die from the shots....only on TV and in the movies do you get shot and drop dead immediately

and just because you can legally own a gun that does not mean you get to pull it out or reach for it when the cops walk up on you for a legitimate violation of the law

everyone always wants to argue 'it was just a noise violation" or "she was just having some beers at the beach".....yea exactly so be an adult and take your ticket and go to court for it if you think you were in the right instead of in the wrong....if you want to have a street trial right there with the cops you should expect that it will never go in your favor even if you eventually get to court alive

just because the individual involved or their idiot friends think something is "no big deal" that does not mean they should just be allowed to continue to do it or that they can just tell the cops to F off and expect the cops will just walk away and leave and again if it is "no big deal" then take your no big deal ticket like the "balla" you think you are and go on with your no big deal life.....or have a street trial and take the beat down or the shots that come with it....it is not a hard choice especially for something that is "no big deal"

and "the story is in dispute" just like "hands up don't shoot" with st michale brown.....well until three different forensics investigations reveled that he was reaching in the cop car and that he was in a crouched, forward moving, position as if to tackle someone when he was shot.....not "running away with hands up don't shoot"
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post

Gun legally registered and was he allowed to own a gun?
He was a deputy sheriff, it would be safe to assume the gun was legal and as a deputy he was allowed to own and carry it.
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Originally Posted by Istockpoga View Post
He was a deputy sheriff, it would be safe to assume the gun was legal and as a deputy he was allowed to own and carry it.
People here don't read well. Obviously the deputy sherriff's gun was legal. I was referring to the man killed in his garage who had a gun.

Out of 3 people there, only two made it out alive. I guess we should just take their word for it blindly and whatever they say as gospel. I mean, it isn't as if police never lie and they have nothing to lose. They certainly never plant evidence. We will never know with 100% certainty here. So it went through due process and then the surviving family were insulted out of spite and malice.

I'm not supporting the dead guy here. It just seems strange, the whole scenario. The gun being in his pocket, not out? Cops say he was holding it at the time. Then it goes into his pocket? I guess I was raised to believe if someone is telling you 1+2=4 to look a little closer. Having grown up in an area where both crime and dirty cops were ever present and ran wild, I don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

Good shoot? Bad shoot? The articles I read provide little to no actual evidence, but given the information it is impossible to tell either way. Given that, I think a lawsuit was reasonable. If the jury thought it was a good shoot, award nothing. If they believe it was a bad shoot, award an appropriate sum. The malice in the $4 is unnecessary.
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The malice in the $4 is unnecessary.

But did send a very clear message as where the jury felt the liability lies. Just didn't happen to be very thoughtful of the family's feelings.
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Sounds like they overpaid.
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