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I have a distant relative that we know uses drugs and cannot keep job. He now bought a new car that he cannot afford and claims he will pay for it (at a HIGH interest rate he has because of BAD credit) by driving for UBER. I know when I had to take a drug test for my USCG license that there were cab drivers and truck drivers in the place I had to go. Does UBER not require its divers to be drug tested periodically?
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No, they do not.
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I have a distant relative that we know uses drugs and cannot keep job. He now bought a new car that he cannot afford and claims he will pay for it (at a HIGH interest rate he has because of BAD credit) by driving for UBER. I know when I had to take a drug test for my USCG license that there were cab drivers and truck drivers in the place I had to go. Does UBER not require its divers to be drug tested periodically?
Yes, unless it's required by the state and I think only CA requires it.
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This pretty much sums it up:


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I have a distant relative that we know uses drugs and cannot keep job. He now bought a new car that he cannot afford and claims he will pay for it (at a HIGH interest rate he has because of BAD credit) by driving for UBER. I know when I had to take a drug test for my USCG license that there were cab drivers and truck drivers in the place I had to go. Does UBER not require its divers to be drug tested periodically?
I think Uber relies on the police to enforce existing laws, and when that doesn't work users to report any intoxicated drivers. I'd suspect it's not perfect, but I've never once heard a first hand account of any intoxicated Uber drivers.
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I think Uber relies on the police to enforce existing laws, and when that doesn't work users to report any intoxicated drivers. I'd suspect it's not perfect, but I've never once heard a first hand account of any intoxicated Uber drivers.
Was in Lauderdale and had one drinking a pint of Svedka while driving us. Whether he was intoxicated....... But you get the point. We got out and took a cab.
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UBER pays at or less than minimum wage. He will lose the car if he expects to pay for it with Uber money.
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Was in Lauderdale and had one drinking a pint of Svedka while driving us. Whether he was intoxicated....... But you get the point. We got out and took a cab.
But if no one reports it to Uber, he can continue doing it.
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UBER pays at or less than minimum wage. He will lose the car if he expects to pay for it with Uber money.
Nope, depends on number of cars on street. I can be very low or high. Some time I can go 2 miles for $4 other times it is $12. supply and demand.
Needed a 51 mile ride last month and was quoted $90. So that is about $45 an hour.

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Uber drivers are contractors, I doubt any read it but I am sure Uber Contact pushes the state and fed driver regs down on the driver to know, regulate, and meet...if he doesn't do something they are not responsible.
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Nope, depends on number of cars on street. I can be very low or high. Some time I can go 2 miles for $4 other times it is $12. supply and demand.
Needed a 51 mile ride last month and was quoted $90. So that is about $45 an hour.

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that is what UBER charges....not what trickles down to the driver.....an in transportation regardless if hauling people or produce...the profit is how far did you go for FREE to get the fare/freight and what did you do on the other end when you dropped it off.
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I signed up to be an Uber driver, lasted about 4 hours cause it paid crap. However, I made a killing on referring other drivers via their signup bonus, which is why I did it to begin with.

That being said, there is no test, no nothing besides a "background check" and your car being X model year or newer. It doesn't even have to be your car or registered to you.

As a consumer, the Ubers I've used have always been better than cabs, each and every time. I have been in "taxis" with meth head drivers who brought their GF and were probably shooting up right before we got in - that's just one account. Generally the Uber have been way better.

But doing it for an income? not worth it. Calculate your time and mileage cost and see what it nets. Generally not very much, which is why I love it as a consumer - it's cheap and much better quality than an ex-cop-car with a grungy driver.
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several things here

1. more than likely some idiot addict friend told them that with the uber decal and uber light in the windshield the are less likely to get pulled over and they probably think they will be giving cash rides to their junkie friends with less "risk" of being pulled over.......there is actually "money" to be made hauling junkies around along with the free "fix" you can get from them.....of course that makes #2 harder

2. uber requires you to be "at the ready" to take advantage of the "surge" and to also have some foresight to understand when and where a "surge" might take place IE being in the club district during spring break at closing time.......junkies are not exactly known for their timeliness, preparedness, foresight, or ability to be "at the ready".....all the more so when you think you are going to be hauling your junkie friends around for some cash and a fix with an uber decal and light to deflect attention away from you

3. even if they can manage th be "at the ready" the first week or two once they are out and about at a particular hour (mainly when bars and clubs close) they will start to get frustrated that everyone else is wasted while they are working and they will break down and stop working to get wasted

4. being a business with an unreliable income that requires some financial discipline they will have issues.....they will have issues keeping money back for insurance, repairs, general maintenance, gas, car payments, and the like and being a junkie when they have a "good week" (or whatever pay period) they will immediately also go hog wild on the drugs because of course every week will be a "good week" in their mind and they will again be too wasted to work so their income will become even more unreliable......it will go from being not too good to OK to great and then terrible because of their "made some money" drug binge and then they will probably have that binge during a week that could have been a better than average week and they will miss out on that and cycle right back into a bad week and it will get worse and worse

5. more than likely they also think that they will do like a lot of others do and sigh up to "be an uber driver" and then put someone else in the car to actually drive it even if for only short periods of time while they are "on break"......but of course being a junkie they will put another junkie in there that will either wreck the car or steal the car and as we have seen on this forum recently (in the last few days) when you willingly give your car to someone many police departments are too lazy to take a stolen car report on a car that was willingly handed over so they will put ZERO effort into finding that car

6. the good news is they are a junkie, their credit is already shot and they have nothing to lose already so a repo on a used up worthless car that is either run into the ground or wrecked will mean nothing to them in the long term
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But doing it for an income? not worth it. Calculate your time and mileage cost and see what it nets. Generally not very much, which is why I love it as a consumer - it's cheap and much better quality than an ex-cop-car with a grungy driver.
Many Uber drivers make around $35k after expenses (including car payment and gas), set their own schedule, etc. In competitive markets such as Dallas where surge pricing is in effect frequently, if you give xx rides you get a $200 gas card. The Uber drivers I've talked to who have success buy cheap fleet like cars (Taurus, Cruz, etc) that get > 30mpg and can be had new for $15-16k or lightly used for $10-12k. Use a CC that gets you 5% back on gas. Start your day around convention centers that are a $30-40 ride to the airport and be willing to work a Friday or Saturday night around 8-11pm, where people have had some drinks and don't want to drive, but not yet into the 2am window where people are going to puke in and destroy your car.

No way on earth I would do it, but there are a few ways to make it into a decent living if you take it serious.
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One of our uber drivers in ft Lauderdale had just finished smoking some weed when she picked us up. She asked if we minded that the windows were down. I told her no problem, I didn't have any twinkies at the hotel... My wife just thought she smelled a skunk and thought that was weird...
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Many Uber drivers make around $35k after expenses (including car payment and gas), set their own schedule, etc. In competitive markets such as Dallas where surge pricing is in effect frequently, if you give xx rides you get a $200 gas card. The Uber drivers I've talked to who have success buy cheap fleet like cars (Taurus, Cruz, etc) that get > 30mpg and can be had new for $15-16k or lightly used for $10-12k. Use a CC that gets you 5% back on gas. Start your day around convention centers that are a $30-40 ride to the airport and be willing to work a Friday or Saturday night around 8-11pm, where people have had some drinks and don't want to drive, but not yet into the 2am window where people are going to puke in and destroy your car.

No way on earth I would do it, but there are a few ways to make it into a decent living if you take it serious.
I don't know how detailed you've gotten into it, but the ones I have spoken with, and the calculations I made considering and testing the theory as an actual Uber driver, it seems most people forget to consider the mileage/depreciation/maintenance expenses. The whole "oh, cool I can make $ driving when I want to" seems to attract people who aren't paying attention to the numbers.

Maybe there's ways to make 35k doing it, but that just doesn't seem worth the risk, the monetary investment, nor the hassle of tracking it all when you don't have any real control of increasing your own income, other than being available more hours. It's a very crappy business proposition for anyone who has an entrepreneurial mindset, and genius for those who are offering it to unsuspecting victims.

About the only real way to make money is to create a fleet, get a group of approved drivers who use a supplied vehicle and basically create your own little black-car service that users Uber & Lyft to get rides, but it's still risky.
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Once again it’s all about location. Location, location. I know two very successful Uber drivers. One lives in Brigantine. A small very nice beach town out side of Atlantic City. He drives an older Lincoln Navigator. He is an older guy, right around 60. He grosses between 60 and 75 grand a year the past 5 years now. He puts relatively low miles on his vehicle. He works mostly afternoons and evenings.

The second guy guy I know lives in central jersey but operates as an Uber driver up in northern jersey. He makes even more. In fact he just bought another new car, a Lexus. He does better than 75 grand a year every year. He probably works 60 hours a week again mostly afternoons, nights and weekends.

Now dont get get me wrong, these are not great or even very good salaries but for the right person it’s a good deal. Neither one are raising families or trying to put kids through college. They are single guys. One was tired of having a “job” and one was tired of sitting home doing nothing after retiring from his job.

A few few months ago I spent 5 days in Florida. I used Uber a dozen times. There was often times a wait as all the drivers were busy. It’s a thriving business.
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I got a ride from a woman the other day. Nice clean car, nice woman.

She told me she shot to make $1000 a week, worked six days, twelve to fourteen hours a day, took Sunday's off no matter what. She had put 12,000 miles on her car in two months. Based on uor conversation I don't see her having many other options, and base decisions on wage scale, she was doing pretty darn well. But damn that's A lot of hours and a lot of miles.

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I got a ride from a woman the other day. Nice clean car, nice woman.

She told me she shot to make $1000 a week, worked six days, twelve to fourteen hours a day, took Sunday's off no matter what. She had put 12,000 miles on her car in two months. Based on uor conversation I don't see her having many other options, and base decisions on wage scale, she was doing pretty darn well. But damn that's A lot of hours and a lot of miles.

so in 2 months (assuming 8 weeks) that is 576 hours at 12 per day. $13.89/hr gross income.

By by the time you take out all the other expenses and taxes, you're much better having a $12/hr job somewhere that has some
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I’m signed on as an Uber driver. The only time I sign on is on my to or from work, which is about a 25 mile commute. You can set it so the only ride requests are ones going toward where you are going, so that’s what I do. I turn it on when I get in my truck, tell Uber where I’m going, then head home. Along the way, when someone needs a ride, it alerts me. Doesn’t pay much, but it covers my gas bill each week, plus buys me lunch for a day or two. Some days I get a rider both ways, some days none at all.
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