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Old 05-29-2018, 08:24 AM
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A tenant wants to sell me his dad's or grandfather's German Luger. 1917 Erfurt. The finish is way too rough for it to be a fake, but here are a few questions for you experts:

* Is the condition so rough that I couldn't sell it for $1000?

* If so, would it make sense to re-blue it ( can't destroy value if it's a relic anyway, right?)



* Can it be shot? Should I load my 9mm lighter than normal?

* As is, is it worth $800?
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Don't know all that much about Lugers, but I would bite on it myself if it can be verified to be legit. I haven't seen many non-reproduction guns below 1K, even in pretty rough condition.

Really doesn't look that rough to me. With it being a plated frame, you can likely do a soak in a rust remover solution (such as evaporust) to get rid of the bits of rust, without harming the remaining plating. This should clean it up, without any mechanical polishing, which would hurt the value. Then just keep it oiled from there own and it should hold up pretty good. Disclaimer, don't do this on a blued gun, as it will completely remove the bluing.
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I saw one in a pawn shop last week that was in worse shape than that one and they wanted $900 for it.
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Here you go German Lager

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thanks for the Bump, Grunt!
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There are 19 (20 including the extra magazine) marking numbers on that weapon, do they all match? Have you disassembled it to verify?

Does it come with the original holster and spare magazine? A numbers matching spare magazine will easily double the value of the gun.

Before one can determine if 850 is a good price, one must first know exactly what they are dealing with.

One thing for sure, if you want to destroy the value, get it blued or re-plated.
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I don't seem to see the same number twice on the gun. How could that happen?
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I don't seem to see the same number twice on the gun. How could that happen?
on the front of the frame there should be a 4 digit number, that is the main number you want to match to. Not all are 4 digit markings, you want the last two to match throughout the weapon.

As to how they don’t match, often guns were refurbished in war time, and the parts are interchangeable. If something was worn, the smith just reached in the parts bin for another one. Magazines would get dropped, lost, swapped, etc. l
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is it just me or does it look like some one has taking a wire wheel to it to make the metal shiny like that? any attempt at restoration kills value. better to keep it all natural.
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DO NOT RE-BLUE IT! 99% of the time it will lower the value. A proper restoration will enhance value, but leave that to the pros. You need to take that to a collector specializing in Lugers to actually know what you have. Some rare manufacturers are more valuable, but again, that's only if the weapon is 100% all matching. Based off the pictures, I wouldn't gamble more than $500 and expect to turn a profit. It could be a $1500 pistol or it could be a $500 one. Don't look at what a pawn shop is asking, go on gubroker and see what they've SOLD for recently. Also, how many magazines?
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Originally Posted by Rolandt03 View Post
is it just me or does it look like some one has taking a wire wheel to it to make the metal shiny like that? any attempt at restoration kills value. better to keep it all natural.
Good point, but water over the dam. It is what it is, so making it look better may not hurt the value anyway? A collector won't look twice at the gun, but a person that wants a Luger, might want one with bluing instead of the chrome?
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Is it 9 mm? There are some 7mm out there.

At a gun show in tx 2 years ago, for what that is worth, the most expensive were exceptions with long barrels and accessories.
$2500 or so asking. Max.



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Originally Posted by Tread_Head57 View Post
DO NOT RE-BLUE IT!
A proper restoration will enhance value, but leave that to the pros.
Looks like the original finish was maybe black paint? If I get the gun, it's going to get better, but how to restore it without it looking like its been restored? I'm not trying to get into collector status, just want to help the tenant without costing me money if I decide to sell it. Can a restoration be done that makes the gun look better, without tanking value (unless gun is rated as a relic already)
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Originally Posted by bamaboy473 View Post
Looks like the original finish was maybe black paint? If I get the gun, it's going to get better, but how to restore it without it looking like its been restored? I'm not trying to get into collector status, just want to help the tenant without costing me money if I decide to sell it. Can a restoration be done that makes the gun look better, without tanking value (unless gun is rated as a relic already)
That looks to be plating. The black/rust areas appear to be where the plating has worn through.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
That looks to be plating. The black/rust areas appear to be where the plating has worn through.
You are correct; it is nickle plating that might have been added later? What's the fix for that?
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Originally Posted by bamaboy473 View Post
You are correct; it is nickle plating that might have been added later? What's the fix for that?
if it is not factory plating, all of your options are bad in regards to correction.

If it is stock, I think it will clean up with evaporust without impacting the plating at all. You would not want to soak any blues parts. End result will be some plated, and some bare areas, without any indication of abrasive cleaning or polishing. Possibly a bit of pitting. Tough to say from pics.
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Rick, I don't think there is an answer that will get you to where you want to be. the gun is just not worth much. I would think there is a forum for them somewhere that can give you good info. I learned a long time ago that trying to help a tenant is a thankless job that will get you into trouble.
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Hopefully its not been re-plated. I have a old broom handle mauser that was replated at some time, I know the value isnt that much but a nice pistol to say the least...
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. These post WWII Russian rebuilt weapons include a complete rebluing of a firearm to a more blackish finish, serial numbers crossed out on smaller parts and then new ones added, and complete firearms being assembled from multiple parts from different weapons. The Russians would also normally mark these captured and rebuilt firearms with an "X" mark.
Is there a date on the barrel?

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Originally Posted by Rolandt03 View Post
is it just me or does it look like some one has taking a wire wheel to it to make the metal shiny like that? any attempt at restoration kills value. better to keep it all natural.

exactly what hat I was thinking, pretty sure the value has been destroyed by the polishing


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