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Old 05-27-2018, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bjm9818 View Post
Your fuel cost are a little skewed.
20kw natural gas only burns 3.6 at full load 2.1 at 1/2 load.
10kw NG looking at under 2gal/hr at full load. Probably closer to 1gal/hr at 1/2 load
20kw diesel burns 1.8 at full and probably 1/2 that at idle
10kw diesel much less.

Also so for a home use unless you live in the worst place possible you will never come close to reaching the average hour lifespan before either unit rust out completely.
And propane is about $2.50 a gallon nationally
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_wfr_dcus_nus_w.htm

I have had upwards of 200 generators at work, almost all were propane. Some where 40 years old (flathead ford!) Yes they are noisy. Today they are SIMPLER than any diesel you can buy. No emission crap, simple carbed engine. Propane doesn't go bad. Propane is harder to get fuel in a long duration outage. Diesel can be hand carried. All of our generators get 6 month changes, hours are irrelevant as they almost never go over 150 hours per year. Most see less than 75. Some only see weekly exercise. Propane won't wet stack. You can size the generator for the maximum load and run it at 20% with little worry. Diesels need to be run at 60%+ load or more. We load bank all of our diesels quarterly because of this.

Just some food for thought.
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Old 05-28-2018, 04:58 AM
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I have a 25 horse power diesel Lawn tractor. I intend to buy a generator on wheels that will mount to the draw bar and run off the live PTO. Another option if you do enough mowing to justify owning a small tractor with a 60” belly mower. I love my tractor.
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Old 05-28-2018, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Badbagger View Post
Any leads on a go to source for the equipment? Also maybe some current brands to consider? I want to be sure I can get local install and service here in PCola.
Bought a 15kw from these guys about 15 years ago, including an insulated aluminum sound shield. Although they put together & sold complete packages, I had them build the frame
that sits on the pad over the tank, out of aluminum, and had the 100 gallon tank built by a company that specialized in marine tanks (no longer around since owner died) out of Stainless. The only place I've seen some rust is the radiator. You are 100% correct in opting for a diesel unit as long as it has a COMMERCIAL rating and runs 1800 rpm. Research into how much stored energy in Diesel vs. all types of gas tells the whole story. Running my whole house, INCLUDING both the 4 & 1.5 ton AC units, actual consumption is 1/2 GPH. Have outages as long as two weeks and the house ran totally normal but I did keep an eye on the amperage draw as one would do on a boat. As opposed to those loud whinny 3600 rpm units, at 1800 the only sound from mine is a low frequency much more tolerable hum.
Under the living room thermostat I mounted an amp meter with a switch to view each leg. Lastly, I have NEVER had any growth in the fuel and have stored it up to about 5 years at times; (always use Biobor treatment) eventually draining it via a 50 ft length of clear tube across the yard into the boat tank before calling for a fuel delivery. These guys build them, they do not install or service but they do stock Kubota engine parts so I typically buy parts for the 8kw Onan in the boat from them for a LOT LESS then Onan charges. Lastly, although I've only run up to just under 400 hours over the years on the house unit, old buddy had 50,000 hours on his Kubota powered Onan Generator. Not sure how many on the 8kw cause its long outlasted the hour meter. Oil change usually every 100 hours despite book saying 200. Lastly, there's a reason the local hospitals, police stations, grocery stores; even Lowes, have Diesel back up units.
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by capt.gene View Post
I have a 25 horse power diesel Lawn tractor. I intend to buy a generator on wheels that will mount to the draw bar and run off the live PTO. Another option if you do enough mowing to justify owning a small tractor with a 60 belly mower. I love my tractor.
Do a lot of reading before you make that jump. Tractor generators are good, but you HAVE TO run the tractor at the proper motor RPM to turn the drive shaft at 540 RPM. At that RPM they eat fuel.
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by fireisland1 View Post
Get a 275 gal storage tank. Own a diesel truck or car. Draw off that tank to run your car. Then just refill the tank. That keeps fresh fuel and saves auto operating expenses
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Buy diesel at the beginning of the hurricane season and treat it. If you don't use it in you generator just put it in your diesel truck a little at the time after the season is over saving some for regular engine exercise. This way the fuel is fresh, has no algae or much condensation. I've done this since Katrina with no problems in either my Lister style engine that drives my generator or my 7.3 Powerstroke, a little inconvenient but when the power goes out I still have dependable diesel powered electricity.
If you're using "red" or "off road" diesel that is a big no-no to put it in any of your vehicles that travel on state roads or federal highways, and comes with a hefty fine if caught. Just some food for thought.

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Old 05-28-2018, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by capt.gene View Post
I have a 25 horse power diesel Lawn tractor. I intend to buy a generator on wheels that will mount to the draw bar and run off the live PTO. Another option if you do enough mowing to justify owning a small tractor with a 60 belly mower. I love my tractor.
No affiliation with this, but I happened upon it this week and your post reminded me of it.

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Old 05-28-2018, 02:38 PM
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If you frequent places that HAVE to use a gen set, like remote Alaska lodge type places, you are going to see mostly Northern Lights or Onan type units, these things run 2-6000 hours a year, fuel is brought in by barrel or by airplane, economy counts up there, the delivered cost of a gallon of fuel is close to $10/gallon. Reliability of these gen sets is great, and the creativity around them amazes me. One lodge I go to pretty often, uses the hot water in the cooling circuit to heat the cabins and heat hot water for showers and the kitchen etc.

Post Hurricane Rita, in SW Louisiana, we were without power for almost 4 months. I got SO damned tired of changing oil and carrying around gas cans for my gasoline gen set, I swore, never again. New house there has the switch and panel for the generator, I have a Miller diesel welder/genset with long cables to use as a temp measure next time. I am a little reluctant to install a permanent genset up there, due to the amount of salt spray we usually get during a storm. Thinking of buying a Northern Lights unit, mounting it on a skid I can put on a trailer ( have several ) along with spare fuel and cables. I can use it for my LA place, here in Texas, or my folks or brothers house if needed. Plus, I have a decent fleet of diesel F350 trucks at the shop, plus a couple skid steer units, that all are diesel powered. Not worried about not using the fuel. Plus, having a 500 gallon tank of it, or a dozen barrels of it ( can buy at local distributor easy ) means I don't care if the local stations are empty.
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:00 AM
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I purchased a Propane Generator from Central Maine Diesel a few years ago.

20 HP Honda engine, Italian genset head.
Paid about $2300 plus shipping via Paradise Freight which was a few hundred.
I see the price is just a bit higher now...

Recently it blew a capacitor. Central Maine sent me 2 for the price of one even though it is out of warranty. $39 total for two.

I looked at generators on island but a similar Honda at Quality electric was close to $6000 and it wasn't even a 13750kw. More like 8 or 9000kw if I remember right.....

They have many generators at great prices but this is the one I settled for.

Quiet, no smell, propane lasts forever........
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Old 05-30-2018, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Badbagger View Post
Working towards finally going to contract on our new house. We will prewire for a generator. We will go diesel for a whole house system. Any leads on a go to source for the equipment? Also maybe some current brands to consider? I want to be sure I can get local install and service here in PCola.
I have bought several Mitsubishi diesel generators from Powerhouse Diesel in Georgia.

https://www.pdgenerators.com/
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Old 05-30-2018, 06:48 AM
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I'd just go with an electric generator.
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