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Old 07-20-2006, 06:20 PM
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So I work at a Marina and today I was washing a pontoon boat that was on the forklift. (Iam not a forklift operater)...well the forklift has a leak in the hydraulics and so you have to get on the lift every 5 minutes and raise the boat back up which is a pain in the a$$. Well the forklift driver (who has only been there 2 weeks) was getting a boat to launch so I go with him to spot. While we were doing this the forklift with the pontoon leaked all the way to the ground and the engine hit ground and it bent the skeg. So I go out to test run a fountain after this and the boss returns when i return i told him what happened and he got all pissy and whiney and told me and the fork lift driver "to get out of here" and didnt say anything else. You got to understand though iam one of his best dockhands and can drive any boat there. But he blamed me for the skeg when it was clearly the forklift drivers fault seeing as iam not a forklift driver. So would you go back to work? or assume your fired? LOL P.S excuse grammer i dont really care right now
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Old 07-20-2006, 06:28 PM
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Go back and talk to him about what happened. He will have had time to cool off and probably be more objective about the situation.
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Old 07-20-2006, 07:03 PM
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Talk to him. He's the boss, it's his forklift that'sat the root the problem, judging from your post. Does he know it leaks down? He needs to fix that for the good of the business. He'll never keep quality help around with equipment that don't work right. Explain that to him calmly and ask him to fix the friggin' forklift or furnish jack-stands to put under the forks to hold everything up while y'all are off doing other duties. If he goes for the jack-stands vs. fixing the lift, he'll have his hands full once one of those stands pokes through the bottom of a boat. Since this was on a pontoon boat , and probably pretty high off the ground to keep the skeg out of the pavement, standard jackplates probably won't work. He'll have to have some custom made...or....fix the friggin' forklift. Best of luck to ya'.
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Old 07-20-2006, 07:42 PM
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If this is his SOP for dealing with employees and HIS equipment,
then go find yourself another job. Life is too shorty to work for
azzholes. If this is out of character for him, then go talk with him
as stated above. If it works out, fine. If he still cops an attitude,
tell him to go pound sand and walk out. His loss.
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Old 07-21-2006, 01:46 AM
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cjsweeney - 7/20/2006 8:42 PM

If this is his SOP for dealing with employees and HIS equipment,
then go find yourself another job. Life is too shorty to work for
azzholes. If this is out of character for him, then go talk with him
as stated above. If it works out, fine. If he still cops an attitude,
tell him to go pound sand and walk out. His loss.

If he says you still have a job, then ask him if you will be docked for any time lost and tell him you don't feel you should be.
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Old 07-23-2006, 12:53 AM
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You were working as a team with the forklift operator to wash the pontoon boat. You both left your post knowing that the forklift would leak down. The inevitable happened. Lack of attention to detail on both the forklift operators part and yours, because again you are part of a team. If this is the first time that a goof on your part has cost the company money, then I would issue a stern warning and allow both of you to return to work. If there are other examples of carelessness, than both of you would be looking for a new job.

On your question on if you should go back to work or assume your fired, ask him. He's the boss. Did he know the forklift has a leakdown problem? If not he does now, and should be fixed.
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Old 07-23-2006, 11:23 AM
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I suspect that the forklift would be in violation of workplace safety rules. It is the owner's responsibility to make sure such critical and safety sensitive equipment is in proper working order. I would go back to work and put it in writing that the forklift is unsafe and needs immediate service. Forklifts are inherently dangerous and must be maintained to keep someone from being hour or killed.
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Old 07-24-2006, 04:39 PM
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Thanks for all of your help everybody. I went today and talked to him he said it was because of the boat on the leaking forklift. I told that he could "take this job and shove it" I busted a$$ there for $7.50 an hour not to mention how dangerous that job was, but Iam not about to go back to work for a boss that does that to his employees blaming something on someone for their own mistakes does not justify anything for me. Thanks again for all of yalls advise!
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Old 07-24-2006, 05:02 PM
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Don't sweat it Alex. Like someone mentioned, he had to know it was leaking. He chose to ignore it for a more convienent time. That he decided to fire you because of his neglect is kinda ignorant. The boss is always responsible in the end.

Theres two or three good lessons here, try and glean them all. One of them is walking away from a potential accident. Not being there, I don't know what you could have done if anything, to prevent it.
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Old 07-24-2006, 05:28 PM
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CayoHueso - 7/23/2006 12:23 PM

I suspect that the forklift would be in violation of workplace safety rules. It is the owner's responsibility to make sure such critical and safety sensitive equipment is in proper working order. I would go back to work and put it in writing that the forklift is unsafe and needs immediate service. Forklifts are inherently dangerous and must be maintained to keep someone from being hour or killed.
This is for sure a OSHA violation plus dangerous situation to have a forklift holding a boat with leaking lines.
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Old 07-24-2006, 05:32 PM
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contender25 - 7/24/2006 5:39 PM

Thanks for all of your help everybody. I went today and talked to him he said it was because of the boat on the leaking forklift. I told that he could "take this job and shove it" I busted a$$ there for $7.50 an hour not to mention how dangerous that job was, but Iam not about to go back to work for a boss that does that to his employees blaming something on someone for their own mistakes does not justify anything for me. Thanks again for all of yalls advise!
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Contender25, please post the name of this marina so that THTers will know to avoid it and its poorly maintained equipment.
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kingair - 7/24/2006 5:28 PM

CayoHueso - 7/23/2006 12:23 PM

I suspect that the forklift would be in violation of workplace safety rules. It is the owner's responsibility to make sure such critical and safety sensitive equipment is in proper working order. I would go back to work and put it in writing that the forklift is unsafe and needs immediate service. Forklifts are inherently dangerous and must be maintained to keep someone from being hour or killed.
This is for sure a OSHA violation plus dangerous situation to have a forklift holding a boat with leaking lines.
I happen to have a large fleet of forklifts for rental purposes, so I'll chime in. I am sure that this is a specialty lift specific to boat yards, but if the nice folks from OSHA were to pay a visit, they would leave you with a very nice fine, and would likely snoop around to see what else they can find. Any handling or lifting equipment gets very close inspection if anything is brought into question. Repacking a cylinder (which is nearly guaranteed the problem) is typically cheap, especially compared to an OSHA fine or repair of a customers rig.
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Old 07-24-2006, 07:57 PM
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Contender,

Tell your boss to fix the fricken hydraulic leak. It has already cost him more then that with the damage. His fault. He knows it too.....thats why he's pissed at himself.

Another pointer.......Strict policy in our yard.....unless they are putting stands or blocks under a boat to set it down, you never rely on the travelift or forklift to hold the boat up while working under it.......on it.... or washing it....... period. Set it down on stands and or blocksfirst in case something with the equipment lets go.

First time with no boat support is a firm warning.......and if they still don't get it....they don't work here .

Good luck with your job search.

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Old 07-24-2006, 08:09 PM
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He was looking for a scapegoat.....you were the most likely and easiest target. I take it from your last post you are no longer employed there......good move. Make a call to OSHA and let them know of the faulty equipment. They will probably do nothing about it other than make a note, but it would be good to have some documentation should an accident occur. And I would also contact the owner of the boat and let him know exactly what the cause of the damage was........
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Overcurrent - 7/24/2006 7:16 PM

Contender25, please post the name of this marina so that THTers will know to avoid it and its poorly maintained equipment.
Holden Beach Marina...

How do I go about contacting OSHA. I would love to tell them about all the faults at this marina.
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TO REPORT ACCIDENTS, UNSAFE WORKING CONDITIONS, OR SAFETY & HEALTH VIOLATIONS:

Contact the OSHA Office nearest you, see map of offices, or, contact our toll free number: 1-800-321-OSHA (6742)... TTY 1-877-889-5627.
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I had to laugh at this - directly quoted from the "Holden Beach Marina" website...

Holden Beach Marina offers both wet slips and dry storage. With two forklifts and expert drivers, you can be confident that your boat is in good hands. You will have unlimited launches (dry storage only) and you can expect your boat to be in the water within 30 minutes of your call. Engines are flushed and the boat is rinsed with fresh water each time at haulout. The marina offers the finest storage facility in the area.

Our trained staff is here to take care of all your boating needs.

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Wonder if we should email them this link?
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Old 07-25-2006, 11:39 PM
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You guys are funny. It is the OPERATORS responsibility to do a safety/function check of the equipment he will be using. If the lift is faulty, then do not operate the lift. Notify your supervisor, and then it is his responsibility. If then you are told to use the faulty equipment, do not do it and report the reason why. If this does not work a call to the next higher authority is in order, be it the owner/owners then OSHA. You cannot be terminated for this, and if you are you've got $$ headed your way. The kid never did say whether the manager knew the lift had a leak-down problem....that is the root. Since you knew there was a problem and were working as a team to lift/clean this boat it also makes you responsible. Oh yea, tip for your health…no matter where you work next, NEVER work under a suspended load!
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