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Old 05-19-2018, 07:24 AM
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Mariachi band plays outside 'racist' New York lawyer's apartment Daily Mail Online

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Old 05-19-2018, 09:17 AM
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Although this article failed to mention it, apparently the rant went something to the effect of "If I'm supposed to pay for your welfare, the least you can do is speak English when you come here."
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What race?
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Politicians never miss a chance to grandstand, do they? So he's a jerk but what happened to free speech? Disbar him? I dont think so.
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Originally Posted by colecaz View Post
Politicians never miss a chance to grandstand, do they? So he's a jerk but what happened to free speech? Disbar him? I dont think so.
Freedom of speech goes out the window with professions, among other things. You are held to a code of conduct and ethics. I don't understand how so few people realize this?

Freedom of speech means you cannot be criminally charged. It has nothing to do with your employment, student status, etc...

Guy is a scumbag. Exercising hate with 'freedom of speech' you can exercise that right all you want, but prepare to face the non-criminal repercussions of your actions.
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Hate?
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How is it racist or hateful to want people to speak English in this country. Seems like its worked out pretty well over the last few hundred years, why change now
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Correct message...failed execution
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I have no issue with people that speak whatever language they wish.

That said, with the exception of culturally based restaurants/shops, they should not be put in positions to be the primary point of contact with the English speaking public.
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Originally Posted by firechief View Post
How is it racist or hateful to want people to speak English in this country. Seems like its worked out pretty well over the last few hundred years, why change now
celebrate diversity. Shout down the voices of unity. Language is a unifying human behavior, and common language binds. Canít have that!!
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
Hate?
Yes. Or do you threaten to call ICE by assuming someone's legal status based on their ethnicity love?

The demanding English angry rant is one thing. He elevated beyond that.

And which are they, undocumented, or on welfare?

He has the freedom to take his business elsewhere.

You would like to take away the rights of the business owner, by forcing them to demand all of their employees speak only English?

NYC is one of the biggest melting pots of culture in the world, and was the doorway to creating the immigrant population of this country for decades. He lives in the wrong place if things as minor as this force him to behave as he did.
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
Yes. Or do you threaten to call ICE by assuming someone's legal status based on their ethnicity love?

The demanding English angry rant is one thing. He elevated beyond that.

And which are they, undocumented, or on welfare?

He has the freedom to take his business elsewhere.

You would like to take away the rights of the business owner, by forcing them to demand all of their employees speak only English?

NYC is one of the biggest melting pots of culture in the world, and was the doorway to creating the immigrant population of this country for decades. He lives in the wrong place if things as minor as this force him to behave as he did.
dont know the whole context of the situation, and he may have gone off on a tangent that truely was racist. Dont know.

That said, any business owner, with the exception of ethnic themed businesses, that puts someone who does not fluently and clearly speak English in a position to interact with the general public is an idiot. They donít have to be sans accent, just be able to clearly communicate in English. If they do so, and get public scrutiny, I have no sympathy for them.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post


dont know the whole context of the situation, and he may have gone off on a tangent that truely was racist. Dont know.

That said, any business owner, with the exception of ethnic themed businesses, that puts someone who does not fluently and clearly speak English in a position to interact with the general public is an idiot. They don’t have to be sans accent, just be able to clearly communicate in English. If they do so, and get public scrutiny, I have no sympathy for them.

Public scrutiny? Maybe you should watch the video. It will take you 3 min. Or continue to comment on the topic without any actual knowledge of the events being discussed and follow the true THT way.
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Public scrutiny? Maybe you should watch the video. It will take you 3 min. Or continue to comment on the topic without any actual knowledge of the events being discussed and follow the true THT way.
found it hiding way down at the bottom. Agreed, the welfare and legal status stuff was over the top.

What is missing is what got him so pissed off. Going to go out on a limb and assume he didnít walk into a restaurant, see Mexicans, and went off in a fit of rage. Going to guess that he tried to order something, person behind the counter couldnít understand a thing he was saying, and after a couple of tries went off. Thatís not justification for where he took his rant, but if that was the general course of events I get where he is coming from. If I walk into a place with American cuisine, American signage, and no outward indication that it is a place that English is the secondary language (in china town for instance), I too would be pissed.
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
Yes. Or do you threaten to call ICE by assuming someone's legal status based on their ethnicity love?

The demanding English angry rant is one thing. He elevated beyond that.

And which are they, undocumented, or on welfare?

He has the freedom to take his business elsewhere.

You would like to take away the rights of the business owner, by forcing them to demand all of their employees speak only English?

NYC is one of the biggest melting pots of culture in the world, and was the doorway to creating the immigrant population of this country for decades. He lives in the wrong place if things as minor as this force him to behave as he did.
seriously mr torfed. Iíve seen you behave worse when your buttons are pushed here. This bullshit sensitivity that calls everything hate or racism is tired. Disbar him??? What tripe.
*** sometimes the words chosen to offend are true. Do You know their status? Whatís the odds they are illegal and receiving benefits? 50/50???

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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post

This bullshit sensitivity that calls everything hate or racism is tired. Disbar him??? What tripe.
Ok, how is that not hate speech? Targeting someone to demean them in a massively boisterous manner based solely on appearance of ethnicity or language spoken. In fact, it is the very legal definition of hate speech "speech that is intended to insult, offend, or intimidate a person because of some trait (as race, religion, sexual orientation, national origin, or disability)." So you are flat out incorrect there.


I didn't say to disbar him. I said attorneys have to follow a certain code of ethics and conduct, and if they do not, they may be disbarred. I don't know what that line is, merely that there is one.
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Ok, how is that not hate speech? Targeting someone to demean them in a massively boisterous manner based solely on appearance of ethnicity or language spoken. In fact, it is the very legal definition of hate speech "speech that is intended to insult, offend, or intimidate a person because of some trait (as race, religion, sexual orientation, national origin, or disability)." So you are flat out incorrect there.


I didn't say to disbar him. I said attorneys have to follow a certain code of ethics and conduct, and if they do not, they may be disbarred. I don't know what that line is, merely that there is one.
Amazingly that code of ethics allows them to defend pedophiles and serial killers. Given that's the case, I don't give it much credibility.

For clarity, I am with you that him questioning their legal status, etc., was uncalled for. Him questioning the lack of English speakers was not in any way, shape, or form, and should be encouraged.
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I'd round up every single one of those protesters - check their immigration statuses - and if illegal put them on the first bus back to whence they came. I'd deport their entire families. Guy makes a valid point in the video. Listen to the arrogant and possibly illegal immigrant telling him at the end he should get hit by a car because he is demanding she integrate into our society.
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Give me a working immigrant, legal or non, before an American welfare leech any day.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
Amazingly that code of ethics allows them to defend pedophiles and serial killers. Given that's the case, I don't give it much credibility.

For clarity, I am with you that him questioning their legal status, etc., was uncalled for. Him questioning the lack of English speakers was not in any way, shape, or form, and should be encouraged.
Yup. Because those people have constitutional rights, and an accused citizen is different than a proven guilty one, though both have that same right. Or do we now pick and choose on the constitution, but that is a whole different can of worms.

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