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I just started a new job to where a company car is offered and that includes gas. Now I can use this car 24/7 for personal use so it's basically my car paid for by my new company. Here is the issue:

When I was negotiating my salary, they wouldn't move much from the original offer but it was still enough to make me want to work for them. But when the salary wasn't what I wanted we started talking about the car. My Regional Manager (The guy I was negotiating with) said they would give me a ford escape. I countered with a ford explorer and he agreed to that. He did make it clear that it wouldn't be the eddy Bower package but nice nevertheless. We both agreed and that was that!


I started on Monday and my Regional (My boss) started to turn red and pulled me aside and stated that he made a mistake. He has only been with the company for two months and I was the first manager he hired. Basically he said that the company changed the policy a month ago and he based his decision off an old memo and didn't know he couldn't give me the Explorer and I would have to settle for the escape.

He was very respectful and very sorry but I feel that this isn't right! I feel like I'm nit picking but I consider part of this as my salary and I feel dooped! I also feel bad for my boss because I know he got chewed out for even offering me the bigger car but I also know he made an honest mistake but why do I have to settle?

He's trying to make it up to me by "trying" to get me a maxed out escape but I hate these cars!

Long story short, should I....

Settle for this and not make an issue out of this and move on
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Raise some hell with a new job over this?
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any suggestions?

I already told him I was very disappointed but what am I going to do? Quit? He is my new boss now too and I really don't want to piss him off to the point to where he makes my life a living hell over a car.

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free car, free gas, and mistakes do happen, I would take it. and buy myself or my wife a real nice vehicle with the savings.
I have an eddie bower explorer and after a while that wears off and its just another suv.
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I suspect you will have a 60 or 90 day review as a new employee. Take him aside and tell him you'll drop the whole thing IF he'll be sure to give you a kick in base pay at the review.

Either that or kiss him/her goodbye and look for another job. Kicking up too much fuss is not likely to be career enhancing, so weigh it all for what it's worth to you.
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Be glad you got a 24/7 company car with gas card. Period.

I have had company vehicles and gas cards. A few years ago, the company I work for went to vehicle allowances with gas cards. It really sucks comparatively and I felt "robbed" having to go buy a vehicle. Until last week when I bought my first boat, I had not paid for gas in nine years. There are many that are envious of my situation (and yours).

Move on. If you make a big deal out of it, it will send the wrong message to your boss and it will cost you in the long run. Show a little class about the situtation and good things will happen. A lot of folks will kill for a free Escape.
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How long do you want to work at that company?

Do you want to take the first step in building a positive relationship with your new boss?

Your answers to those questions should guide you on what to do.
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Thanks guys! I needed to hear this! I feel guilty but at the same time, I always get the short end of the stick! I know he feels bad and he fessed up about the mistake so you guys are right! The novelty does wear off fast and with the gas prices not getting any lower, a FREE escape and FREE gas, i shouldn't complain!

Escape it is! But........... I will demand the towing package!

Thanks again!

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Smitty,

Just make SURE it'll tow a WAHOO (it should, easily!) and that the A/C is great!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be thankful for the free gas and SUV and ENJOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the "Regional" has been honest about the mistake, he may even go to bat for you when the "probation period" is over towards a little "raise". No since ruffling feathers early on - you could even bring up the fact that you "settled for less" to SAVE the company MONEY!

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Tireless must be drinking the good stuff tonite - very sound advice.

The company may also be willing to give you an auto allowance equal to what they budget for the Escape/insurance/maint, etc.. If so, this would allow you to kick in some of your own $ and get the vehicle that you want.



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Elusive - 7/19/2006 11:46 PM

Tireless must be drinking the good stuff tonite - very sound advice.

The company may also be willing to give you an auto allowance equal to what they budget for the Escape/insurance/maint, etc.. If so, this would allow you to kick in some of your own $ and get the vehicle that you want.
Actually they gave me a choice of a car allowance or the car and gas.

I chose the car and gas. We will sell one of our cars to make room for this one. I figured with everything thats going on in the world and with gas prices, I can save some cash on this deal in the long run. I really don't want another paymeny, we could use the extra cash for the kids and my never ending upgrades to my boat!
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Give the guy the benefit of the doubt, if it turns out later he's a lieing cheating scumbag, find another job. Free gas and a car is not to be sneezed at, but a boss that thinks your stupid enough to believe anything he tells you is another story altogether.
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They have a hybrid version; is that the one you are getting? That is a tax advantage for the company.
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Well, thanks again! The THT crew always has a way of humbling people. I went to the dealer with him and ended up with the most expensive one they had! Black with silver trim with every option they come with and black leather interior. Not a bad little car! I don't have in it my hands yet the the paperwork has been started!
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Good luck with your new job Many prosperous promotions.
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Nit picking? Explorer vs Escape...What's that,a 10k difference? I wouldn't call that nit picking! But just the fact you have FREE GAS, I would kiss my bosses ass for that! (the boss is a woman)

Anyhow if I were in your position I'd ask for at least a 5k increase a year plus the loaded Escape and see what happens.

And don't forget to add the extra gas tank to the vehicle so you can fill the boat with!
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Smitty777 - 7/20/2006 8:50 PM

Black with silver trim with every option they come with and black leather interior.
"BLACK over BLACK" in FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWDA - 'ain't that gonna' be HOOOOOOOOOT - A/C or not????????????

And don't forget the "spinner wheel covers"!

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You asked, well here's my nickels worth.......

So is this a promotion, some sort of lateral move inside a company youíve worked for or a brand new job? Sorry but I donít have a clear picture of this.....I take it this is a totally new job altogether.

You said you started your new job Monday........and your new boss (regional manager) pulls you aside to tell you the bad news........well when exactly did you sit down and negotiate your salary.....LATE Friday afternoon?????????? Like WTF!!!!!!!

How the heck do you think a person gets to become a regional manager? Well itís certainly not because all theyíve done is think about themself......theyíre company personal. You mentioned that your boss has only been with the company two months......well lets look at this. Aside from his job task responsibilities he has been given the responsibility to hire, negotiate salaries and offer vehicles with gas allowances......and youíre telling me he didnít know what vehicles he can or can not offer up......bullsh!t!!!!! He knew, darn straight he knew. IMO youíve been connnnned by someone that knows how to do his job - he played you like a fiddle! This is one of the OLDEST tricks in the book to get you inside the door!

Sorry but Iím a little bit of a hard nose when it comes to this kind of stuff......yes I could be hungry and the carrot is hanging right there in front of me, but your f#@ked if you think Iím going to jump for it with the promise that the carrot is still good. Give me the damm carrot or donít, I donít much care, but donít expect me to jump hoops for it. Iíd much sooner walk away from a job with my integrity intact then to walk the halls of a company looking like a jack-ass that just got it up the but hole.....sorry but ďmyĒ ďAĒ game is better than to be treated like that! And this notion of hanging on until first review for a bigger carrot, man thatís a fools game! Youíre either worth it up front or youíre not....period.....donít hang on for empty promises > be a man, make a stand!

The first thing Iíd do is grab my boss and walk into his bossís office ASAP and put everything on the table from the first interview, then Iíd sell myself for all that itís worth and try to strike up a new deal. Iíd either get what I was after in the first place or I would tell them that I need a few days to think about this one (the company is investing in you, well you are investing yourself in them as well!)......give them a date and exact time you will call them back with your answer. I would have zero problems walking away proud and with my head up high if they didnít like those arrangements. I can swallow the pill of being jobless much easier then I can standing in front of the mirror shaving looking at a shell of a person.......Iíve been down that road and I definitely do not like that feeling, no job is worth that feeling.
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Hey man, sorry for what appears to be calling you a jack-ass. You are obviously a bigger man then me for doing what youíve done in regards to your employment and for the needs of your home.

Often times when I started writing something Iíll get side tracked with something else, then later Iíll come back and finish writing it up and posting it. Sorry for the timing of my comments, they were ill directed in the content of your post......this was not my intension to slam you as it appears.

I stand behind the comments Iíve made, but I had no intentions for calling you out like it appears.....poor timing on my part. Please except my apologies.
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Garett - 7/21/2006 2:35 AM

You asked, well here's my nickels worth.......

So is this a promotion, some sort of lateral move inside a company youíve worked for or a brand new job? Sorry but I donít have a clear picture of this.....I take it this is a totally new job altogether.

You said you started your new job Monday........and your new boss (regional manager) pulls you aside to tell you the bad news........well when exactly did you sit down and negotiate your salary.....LATE Friday afternoon?????????? Like WTF!!!!!!!

How the heck do you think a person gets to become a regional manager? Well itís certainly not because all theyíve done is think about themself......theyíre company personal. You mentioned that your boss has only been with the company two months......well lets look at this. Aside from his job task responsibilities he has been given the responsibility to hire, negotiate salaries and offer vehicles with gas allowances......and youíre telling me he didnít know what vehicles he can or can not offer up......bullsh!t!!!!! He knew, darn straight he knew. IMO youíve been connnnned by someone that knows how to do his job - he played you like a fiddle! This is one of the OLDEST tricks in the book to get you inside the door!

Sorry but Iím a little bit of a hard nose when it comes to this kind of stuff......yes I could be hungry and the carrot is hanging right there in front of me, but your f#@ked if you think Iím going to jump for it with the promise that the carrot is still good. Give me the damm carrot or donít, I donít much care, but donít expect me to jump hoops for it. Iíd much sooner walk away from a job with my integrity intact then to walk the halls of a company looking like a jack-ass that just got it up the but hole.....sorry but ďmyĒ ďAĒ game is better than to be treated like that! And this notion of hanging on until first review for a bigger carrot, man thatís a fools game! Youíre either worth it up front or youíre not....period.....donít hang on for empty promises > be a man, make a stand!

The first thing Iíd do is grab my boss and walk into his bossís office ASAP and put everything on the table from the first interview, then Iíd sell myself for all that itís worth and try to strike up a new deal. Iíd either get what I was after in the first place or I would tell them that I need a few days to think about this one (the company is investing in you, well you are investing yourself in them as well!)......give them a date and exact time you will call them back with your answer. I would have zero problems walking away proud and with my head up high if they didnít like those arrangements. I can swallow the pill of being jobless much easier then I can standing in front of the mirror shaving looking at a shell of a person.......Iíve been down that road and I definitely do not like that feeling, no job is worth that feeling.
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You asked, well here's my nickels worth.......

So is this a promotion, some sort of lateral move inside a company youíve worked for or a brand new job? Sorry but I donít have a clear picture of this.....I take it this is a totally new job altogether.

You said you started your new job Monday........and your new boss (regional manager) pulls you aside to tell you the bad news........well when exactly did you sit down and negotiate your salary.....LATE Friday afternoon?????????? Like WTF!!!!!!!

How the heck do you think a person gets to become a regional manager? Well itís certainly not because all theyíve done is think about themself......theyíre company personal. You mentioned that your boss has only been with the company two months......well lets look at this. Aside from his job task responsibilities he has been given the responsibility to hire, negotiate salaries and offer vehicles with gas allowances......and youíre telling me he didnít know what vehicles he can or can not offer up......bullsh!t!!!!! He knew, darn straight he knew. IMO youíve been connnnned by someone that knows how to do his job - he played you like a fiddle! This is one of the OLDEST tricks in the book to get you inside the door!

Sorry but Iím a little bit of a hard nose when it comes to this kind of stuff......yes I could be hungry and the carrot is hanging right there in front of me, but your f#@ked if you think Iím going to jump for it with the promise that the carrot is still good. Give me the damm carrot or donít, I donít much care, but donít expect me to jump hoops for it. Iíd much sooner walk away from a job with my integrity intact then to walk the halls of a company looking like a jack-ass that just got it up the but hole.....sorry but ďmyĒ ďAĒ game is better than to be treated like that! And this notion of hanging on until first review for a bigger carrot, man thatís a fools game! Youíre either worth it up front or youíre not....period.....donít hang on for empty promises > be a man, make a stand!

The first thing Iíd do is grab my boss and walk into his bossís office ASAP and put everything on the table from the first interview, then Iíd sell myself for all that itís worth and try to strike up a new deal. Iíd either get what I was after in the first place or I would tell them that I need a few days to think about this one (the company is investing in you, well you are investing yourself in them as well!)......give them a date and exact time you will call them back with your answer. I would have zero problems walking away proud and with my head up high if they didnít like those arrangements. I can swallow the pill of being jobless much easier then I can standing in front of the mirror shaving looking at a shell of a person.......Iíve been down that road and I definitely do not like that feeling, no job is worth that feeling.
No offense taken. To be honest, I was thinking the same way you were with this situation. Thats why I posted here for advise. This is a "NEW" job. Not a promotion from within the same company but rather a new company all together that was a big jump for me pertaining ot he money part. I did negochiate the bigger vehical but... I didn't want to over react to the situation.

I did verify with another Manager that he did infact make an honest mistake. They did change the policy about a month or two agao and he even showed me the memo he was reading from and then he showed me the "changed" policy.

He felt guilty so he let me get my color choice (company fleet standard is white) of black and all the upgrades.
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You should always get this type of thing in writing, preferable in the signed offer letter.

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Garett - 7/21/2006 2:35 AM

You asked, well here's my nickels worth.......

So is this a promotion, some sort of lateral move inside a company youíve worked for or a brand new job? Sorry but I donít have a clear picture of this.....I take it this is a totally new job altogether.

You said you started your new job Monday........and your new boss (regional manager) pulls you aside to tell you the bad news........well when exactly did you sit down and negotiate your salary.....LATE Friday afternoon?????????? Like WTF!!!!!!!

How the heck do you think a person gets to become a regional manager? Well itís certainly not because all theyíve done is think about themself......theyíre company personal. You mentioned that your boss has only been with the company two months......well lets look at this. Aside from his job task responsibilities he has been given the responsibility to hire, negotiate salaries and offer vehicles with gas allowances......and youíre telling me he didnít know what vehicles he can or can not offer up......bullsh!t!!!!! He knew, darn straight he knew. IMO youíve been connnnned by someone that knows how to do his job - he played you like a fiddle! This is one of the OLDEST tricks in the book to get you inside the door!

Sorry but Iím a little bit of a hard nose when it comes to this kind of stuff......yes I could be hungry and the carrot is hanging right there in front of me, but your f#@ked if you think Iím going to jump for it with the promise that the carrot is still good. Give me the damm carrot or donít, I donít much care, but donít expect me to jump hoops for it. Iíd much sooner walk away from a job with my integrity intact then to walk the halls of a company looking like a jack-ass that just got it up the but hole.....sorry but ďmyĒ ďAĒ game is better than to be treated like that! And this notion of hanging on until first review for a bigger carrot, man thatís a fools game! Youíre either worth it up front or youíre not....period.....donít hang on for empty promises > be a man, make a stand!

The first thing Iíd do is grab my boss and walk into his bossís office ASAP and put everything on the table from the first interview, then Iíd sell myself for all that itís worth and try to strike up a new deal. Iíd either get what I was after in the first place or I would tell them that I need a few days to think about this one (the company is investing in you, well you are investing yourself in them as well!)......give them a date and exact time you will call them back with your answer. I would have zero problems walking away proud and with my head up high if they didnít like those arrangements. I can swallow the pill of being jobless much easier then I can standing in front of the mirror shaving looking at a shell of a person.......Iíve been down that road and I definitely do not like that feeling, no job is worth that feeling.
Garett - 7/21/2006 2:35 AM

You asked, well here's my nickels worth.......

So is this a promotion, some sort of lateral move inside a company youíve worked for or a brand new job? Sorry but I donít have a clear picture of this.....I take it this is a totally new job altogether.

You said you started your new job Monday........and your new boss (regional manager) pulls you aside to tell you the bad news........well when exactly did you sit down and negotiate your salary.....LATE Friday afternoon?????????? Like WTF!!!!!!!

How the heck do you think a person gets to become a regional manager? Well itís certainly not because all theyíve done is think about themself......theyíre company personal. You mentioned that your boss has only been with the company two months......well lets look at this. Aside from his job task responsibilities he has been given the responsibility to hire, negotiate salaries and offer vehicles with gas allowances......and youíre telling me he didnít know what vehicles he can or can not offer up......bullsh!t!!!!! He knew, darn straight he knew. IMO youíve been connnnned by someone that knows how to do his job - he played you like a fiddle! This is one of the OLDEST tricks in the book to get you inside the door!

Sorry but Iím a little bit of a hard nose when it comes to this kind of stuff......yes I could be hungry and the carrot is hanging right there in front of me, but your f#@ked if you think Iím going to jump for it with the promise that the carrot is still good. Give me the damm carrot or donít, I donít much care, but donít expect me to jump hoops for it. Iíd much sooner walk away from a job with my integrity intact then to walk the halls of a company looking like a jack-ass that just got it up the but hole.....sorry but ďmyĒ ďAĒ game is better than to be treated like that! And this notion of hanging on until first review for a bigger carrot, man thatís a fools game! Youíre either worth it up front or youíre not....period.....donít hang on for empty promises > be a man, make a stand!

The first thing Iíd do is grab my boss and walk into his bossís office ASAP and put everything on the table from the first interview, then Iíd sell myself for all that itís worth and try to strike up a new deal. Iíd either get what I was after in the first place or I would tell them that I need a few days to think about this one (the company is investing in you, well you are investing yourself in them as well!)......give them a date and exact time you will call them back with your answer. I would have zero problems walking away proud and with my head up high if they didnít like those arrangements. I can swallow the pill of being jobless much easier then I can standing in front of the mirror shaving looking at a shell of a person.......Iíve been down that road and I definitely do not like that feeling, no job is worth that feeling.
No offense taken. To be honest, I was thinking the same way you were with this situation. Thats why I posted here for advise. This is a "NEW" job. Not a promotion from within the same company but rather a new company all together that was a big jump for me pertaining ot he money part. I did negochiate the bigger vehical but... I didn't want to over react to the situation.

I did verify with another Manager that he did infact make an honest mistake. They did change the policy about a month or two agao and he even showed me the memo he was reading from and then he showed me the "changed" policy.

He felt guilty so he let me get my color choice (company fleet standard is white) of black and all the upgrades.
Man -O- man! Here is what I meant to say without all the type O's!

No offense taken. To be honest, I was thinking the same way you were with this situation. That's why I posted here for advise. This is a "NEW" job. Not a promotion from within the same company but rather a new company all together that was a big jump for me pertaining to the money part. I did negotiate the bigger vehicle but... I didn't want to over react to the situation.

I did verify with another Manager that he did in fact make an honest mistake. They did change the policy about a month or two ago and he even showed me the memo he was reading from and then he showed me the "changed" policy.

He felt guilty so he let me get my color choice (company fleet standard is white) of black and all the upgrades.

He walked in and I started typing like a mad man! I would loose the car before I had to give up on the THT!

Anywho... All is fine and in reality, I ended up with a fully loaded SUV versus a stripped down model so all is well.

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