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Old 05-15-2018, 06:44 AM
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Along with the Private Pilot thread.

I've got some seat time(C150-C172-SeaRey), but doesn't matter now. I quit when my wife was preggers with #1, and the economy took a dump.

Well, I want to get my PP and IFR before I turn 40. That gives me 2 years. Now yesterday, I'm talking to a customer who works for an airline as a supplier. Guy has been flying all his life. .He advised me to buy a C150, get my time+rating, and then sell the 150. Said that's what he did(he was 16 at that time), and it was the cheapest route to getting IFR certified. Maybe he's on to something. The aircraft is depreciated. 100-200hrs really isn't going to make much difference in the sales price. Pay the CFI and be done with it.

So that got me thinking. Would it be worth it to just buy a 182 or a 206, Beech, Cirrus, or similar and get all my time in that airplane? I mean, that's kinda where I'd like to end up. I don't think multi is going to be in my wheelhouse.

I know those are high performance, most have constant speed props etc. But in my mind, I see better to learn on the platform you wish to fly. Even if it's more complex.

What say ye THT foolish aviators?
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The price per operating hour goes up tremendously with the bigger planes, bigger engines and complexities. The price per flight hour on the 150's is basically the cheapest you can get.
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The price per operating hour goes up tremendously with the bigger planes, bigger engines and complexities. The price per flight hour on the 150's is basically the cheapest you can get.

True. But that said, I'm honestly thinking a non retractable. I like the 185 and 206 for their useful loads, and ability to put on floats if I get the time.
Those to me are long term airplanes.

In a retractable, I like the A36 Bonanza. It's sexy. But I don't think I could do a retractable until many years later.
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That's the route I've heard from a few. CFI friend of mine is trying to buy one to rent out due to the low operating cost.

Considerations seem to be based on how much do you + CFI weigh or if you're going to want to use it for any family flights once you're licensed, how much that weight is.

Why would it take years to be able to move to retractable?
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My dad did the same thing. I got my private and he got his ifr ticket. Sold it and actually made money. It was a piper tomahawk. But bang for the buck I think is a V tail bonanza. Some engines even are stc'd for car gas, which saves a lot of money. 150 knots ish 11 to 12 gallons an hour. And can really fit 4 people.
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If you've got the money, buy. Get something that is not close to TBO on the engine time. Stay away from anything with retractable gear and a constant speed prop. You'll pay a lot more on maintenance. I'd suggest something like a Piper Archer. It's a decent little plane to travel in, seats 4 (probably 3 if you're at full tanks), and is a great IFR platform. It's also not too much plane for getting your PPL. Cherokee 180 or 160 is along the same lines. Hope this helps!

Keep in mind there's a lot of fast spiffy retractable gear stuff out there but you will pay out the nose in insurance with your level of experience (if they will even insure you).
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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post
That's the route I've heard from a few. CFI friend of mine is trying to buy one to rent out due to the low operating cost.

Considerations seem to be based on how much do you + CFI weigh or if you're going to want to use it for any family flights once you're licensed, how much that weight is.

Why would it take years to be able to move to retractable?
My CFI from years back had a good schpeel on operating costs and gear horror stories. He'd had gear failure on a citation jet, lost an engine on takeoff(hawker jet), crashed a cessna in the ocean(engine failure). Well versed in Aviation, good and bad.

Add that in with my boating experience, and I prefer the idea of having gear under me at all times. Simple.
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you have probably heard the "if it flies, fornicates, or floats, rent it."

But if you want to buy something and the hassle of buying and selling a C-150 or 152 is too much bother then I would agree with post 8 and go with the Piper Archer or Cherokee 180 or a Cessna 182.
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Adam Aircraft A500

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DeHavilland DHC-3 Otter

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haha
pitts special
​​​​​​​stearman
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^ You forgot the Ford 5-AT Tri-Motor
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Man, I LOVE that TBM.

Honestly, it's the operating cost, maintenance, and insurance that's the reason you should get your PP and IFR in the 152. Buy one, knock 80 hours out in it then sell and buy something you want. The cost savings per hour for a 152 is going to be about half what it is in a 182, giving you more money for more airplane when you do sell and swap.

Now I know you mentioned liking fixed gear, but there's really something to be said about the performance of tucking in the drag. Not to mention it's better to ditch in the water with the gear up than down.

I got almost all but my first 5 hours in a complex aircraft and, while I'm very happy that I got the complex experience early on, it's not what I would do today of just starting out.
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haha
pitts special
stearman
While we're at it....

RV-4 <--I grew up flying in one my uncle had.

Christen Eagle
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Maule M-7 <--This is sort of practical Wife prolly wont go for the purely spartan interior

Oh.. Edge 540 .. Goulian is one of my fav pilots.
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do it right

Gotta hit the lotto... Or have a real good next 10 years!
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^ You forgot the Ford 5-AT Tri-Motor
​​​​​​​the Edsel ???

Uglyyy.

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