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Lobstercatcher229 05-14-2018 07:27 AM

Brwon Water Snake Confused With Water Moccasin
 
Brown Water Snake, not Brwon water snake, sorry.

Until I saw 2 cotton mouths at Highlands Hammock State Park I was convinced that most people that thought they saw a cottonmouth saw this guy:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...8d52dc5d97.jpg

Lobstercatcher229 05-14-2018 07:31 AM

We are having a severe drought at Highlands Hammock State Park. I wonder if that is why the Moccasins are visible in one of the few parts of the park that has water.

raystein 05-14-2018 07:52 AM

Comparison pic
 
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...726d3ef8ed.jpg

jcbcpa 05-14-2018 08:27 AM

Damn! That picture of the cottonmouth made me shiver. Almost looked under my desk. lol

20biminitwist 05-14-2018 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by jcbcpa (Post 11417178)
Damn! That picture of the cottonmouth made me shiver. Almost looked under my desk. lol

Me too!

I would put the feral cat treatment on that thing.

Rolandt03 05-14-2018 08:35 AM

if unsure, cotton mouth has a fat body then all of a sudden the very end of the tail gets short and skinny

abeal2 05-14-2018 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Rolandt03 (Post 11417202)
if unsure, cotton mouth has a fat body then all of a sudden the very end of the tail gets short and skinny

Generally more of a diamond shaped head too.

bayfisher92 05-14-2018 09:04 AM

Dang rare to see them on the move like that. normally see them curled into a ball near the bank down here. Guessing water is normally in that area of travel? looks sandy...

GetLit 05-14-2018 09:11 AM

Same Here took my feet off the ground quickly! And Im at my desk as well! Have a cousin that runs a state park in coastal SC and he said they have seen more than normal because they are so dry

bikem 05-14-2018 09:11 AM

Cotton mouths swim/float on top of the water and water snakes generally have their head out and most the rest is under the water. That's how we tell the difference when were're floating in tubes.

Rolandt03 05-14-2018 09:38 AM

killed a 3 footer couple days ago, he was at the edge of my dock at the pond, scared the shat out of me.

HatchieLuvr 05-14-2018 09:41 AM

I own a 625 acre swamp near a 12k acre Federal wildlife refuge here in West TN, my place is INFESTED WITH BOTH! I can say that LARGE watersnakes will do a really good job impersonating cottonmouths. But to the trained eye their differences are easy to spot. First is the eyes! Non-pit vipers have round pupils vs the horizontal slits of the vipers. Large watersnakes also develop "diamondish" heads & thick bodies BUT their necks are much thicker & not nearly as tapered as cottonmouths. They can inflate themselves atop the water but they don't usually swim like that, cottonmouths swim that way 99.9999% of the time. (Body inflated & totally atop The water with their head 3-4" above that.)

My biggest sow cottonmouth to date was 2yrs ago, 50.5" long, 8" circumference, weight 4#+ & mouth big enough to get done ANYTHING it needed to! https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...bfae44b573.jpg

This pic from my place last spring shows the classic swimming posture of the cottonmouth:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...92b59e0fbe.jpg

HatchieLuvr 05-14-2018 09:43 AM

The "business end" of the big momma above! https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...3988a328ed.jpg

beenie 05-14-2018 09:46 AM

Wow! One that big makes a heck of a meal.

HatchieLuvr 05-14-2018 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by beenie (Post 11417458)
Wow! One that big makes a heck of a meal.

:o beenie I'll assume since you are from LA that like all my other cajun buds you probably CAN make one of these nasty bastards a true delicacy... BUT I'll take your word for it! My same swamp that is full of snakes is also full of delcious crappie, bluegill, catfish and bass so I'll just continue to let my boys finetune their shooting skills on the snakes and I'll continue to jig up a mess of crappie for the dinner table. :grin: :thumbsup:

Claim 05-14-2018 10:22 AM

The old timers used to call the brown water snake a Water Rattler because it'd mimic it's tail like a rattle snake and shake it...but without sound. They reckoned it was a cross breed between a water moccasin and a rattle snake. They get killed a lot because they look so close to the water moccasin. Good way to tell the difference is to look inside a moccasin's mouth.

flcatcher1 05-14-2018 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by HatchieLuvr (Post 11417440)
But to the trained eye their differences are easy to spot. First is the eyes! Non-pit vipers have round pupils vs the horizontal slits of the vipers.

If you're close enough to see the shape of the pupils, you're close enough to get bit. Sometimes it's just better to walk away and not know.

fmb3 05-14-2018 10:42 AM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...55b8c2abf.jpeg

pulled from m pond a couple weeks ago

jcbcpa 05-14-2018 10:43 AM

AND, if your close enough to look inside his mouth....

jcbcpa 05-14-2018 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Claim (Post 11417584)
The old timers used to call the brown water snake a Water Rattler because it'd mimic it's tail like a rattle snake and shake it...but without sound. They reckoned it was a cross breed between a water moccasin and a rattle snake. They get killed a lot because they look so close to the water moccasin. Good way to tell the difference is to look inside a moccasin's mouth.

And if your close enough to look in his mouth.....


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